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WVIncagold · 07-01-2009, 06:25 AM

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Of course there are no contradictions in the gospels. That's why there is only one Christian denomination in the world, in which all believers agree.

ALL denominations are corruptions. The only right way is Jesus' words alone.

okay i will bite. Where do you have these exact words from jesus written in the first person? not testified to, not transcribed, not from copies, the actual no shit scrolls jesus wrote upon?

Keith&Co. · 07-01-2009, 06:26 AM

We do have some surviving commentary on some of the gospels that were circulating in the 1st century. Stuff that was judged to be forged or accurately attributed. Stuff that was probably not forged but was too gnostic or suffered from other heresies.

Are there any letters that say that the Gospels were authentic because Jesus wrote them and published them all at once in a magic method, so stick that in your hookah and smoke it?
Is there any surviving correspondence discussing the biblical Gospels at all in the first century?

WVIncagold · 07-01-2009, 06:29 AM

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SM, you still haven't answered the question of why JC wrote four gospels, or referred to himself in the third person.

To give us a better understanding of his nature from all sides of the plate.

So to better understand you should have four totally different contradictory explanations on how to put a bike together? Seams awful flim flammy to me. You would think our immortal souls and all being sent to a terrible never ending BBQ that one concise explanation without any contradictions would be a better way to go. but your god chooses confusion and contaradiction just to keep it just fucked up enough that people do not know which way is the exact way? Almost like 4 diffrent people told a legend they heard about and put it to paper and put their own embelishments in for good measure.

WVIncagold · 07-01-2009, 06:31 AM

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When is Jesus going to shoot the film version and release it in theaters? (preferably in 3-D)

Since Jesus is God, he could "poof" the story as seen from his eyes onto a DVD and strategically place one in each mailbox in the world thereby giving everyone the gospel message with sub titles in their own language thereby evangelizing the world so he can finally come back and do all the cool stuff in Revelation.

I bet it comes in hi def! Woot!

That wouldn't be fair to everyone who lived in the past without DVD's.

But it would be fair to everyone today and that was the point. Nobody said give DVD's in the past they said DVD's now. Better Yet why not just post the thing on Youtube? But alas your god seams unable to do allot of things. it is almost like it does not exist at all.:constern02:

Self-Mutation · 07-01-2009, 11:43 PM

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That wouldn't be fair to everyone who lived in the past without DVD's.

But it would be fair to everyone today and that was the point. Nobody said give DVD's in the past they said DVD's now. Better Yet why not just post the thing on Youtube? But alas your god seams unable to do allot of things. it is almost like it does not exist at all.:constern02:

How many times must we theists explain to you guys that God doing that would violate free will?

Atheists need to stop doing this: :deadhorse: and focus more on NEW challenging questions.

James Brown · 07-01-2009, 11:47 PM

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But it would be fair to everyone today and that was the point. Nobody said give DVD's in the past they said DVD's now. Better Yet why not just post the thing on Youtube? But alas your god seams unable to do allot of things. it is almost like it does not exist at all.:constern02:

How many times must we theists explain to you guys that God doing that would violate free will?

Atheists need to stop doing this: :deadhorse: and focus more on NEW challenging questions.

So God revealing himself through a book is okay, but God revealing himself through video is violating our free will? How does that work?

Self-Mutation · 07-01-2009, 11:56 PM

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How many times must we theists explain to you guys that God doing that would violate free will?

Atheists need to stop doing this: :deadhorse: and focus more on NEW challenging questions.

So God revealing himself through a book is okay, but God revealing himself through video is violating our free will? How does that work?

Because he's done his part with the book. THAT is the evidence. Only that.

I see no reason to disbelieve manuscripts. Especially when the Gospel of Luke claims eyewitnesses right in the introduction.

bleubird · 07-02-2009, 04:25 AM

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So God revealing himself through a book is okay, but God revealing himself through video is violating our free will? How does that work?

Because he's done his part with the book. THAT is the evidence. Only that.

I see no reason to disbelieve manuscripts. Especially when the Gospel of Luke claims eyewitnesses right in the introduction.

Have you read "Jesus Interrupted (or via: amazon.co.uk)"?Great book buy the way.The author has dismantled the New Testament many times.The main point was that most pastors and priest know that the bible was created in the second and third century.And,thus it was compiled for POWER.Roman power.Roman Catholic.
Control.
Martin Luther:insane.
King James:insane.
Joesph Smith:insane
ET AL

bleubird · 07-02-2009, 04:31 AM

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So God revealing himself through a book is okay, but God revealing himself through video is violating our free will? How does that work?

Because he's done his part with the book. THAT is the evidence. Only that.

I see no reason to disbelieve manuscripts. Especially when the Gospel of Luke claims eyewitnesses right in the introduction.

Wow,I am real chreeped out that you think the bible was written by eyewitness.
You have read some books on historical bible criticism,right.

bleu

Deus Ex · 07-02-2009, 04:39 AM

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Because he's done his part with the book. THAT is the evidence. Only that.

I see no reason to disbelieve manuscripts. Especially when the Gospel of Luke claims eyewitnesses right in the introduction.

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Sure you disbelieve manuscripts. You just believe in the ones that you want to believe in. I am sure that you don't believe in the Koran, the Avesta, the Bhagavad Gita, etc..

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07-01-2009, 06:26 AM	#82
Keith&Co. Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pittsfield, Mass Posts: 24,500	We do have some surviving commentary on some of the gospels that were circulating in the 1st century. Stuff that was judged to be forged or accurately attributed. Stuff that was probably not forged but was too gnostic or suffered from other heresies. Are there any letters that say that the Gospels were authentic because Jesus wrote them and published them all at once in a magic method, so stick that in your hookah and smoke it? Is there any surviving correspondence discussing the biblical Gospels at all in the first century?

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