Johnny Skeptic

What term? Explain what, the definitions of atheist, agnostic, supernatural, and secular?

You still need to explain how secular history reasonably verifies supernatural history.

David B

While I am I a bit intrigued about your justification for preaching to us about things that you say you don't understand, I'd be grateful of you would get back to responding to my posts 2 and 5.

We can get back to evidences for and against the flood later, and all sorts of other things, but please get back to my posts 2 and 5.

David B

dimbulb

Maybe Zeus created the universe. Or some other god.

But you've rejected those gods because there's no real reason to believe them. I doubt you've taken those possibilities seriously. But I'll bet there's nothing in that film that proves your god alone is the creator, just that there has to be a creator. So maybe it's the christian god. Why not?

The fact is we don't know who created the universe or how it came about or if it came about or if it has always been here. So you can either accept that we don't know or you can make up a creator. That's how your god and Zeus came about and all the thousands of other gods just so people would have an answer. Not necessarily a reasoned answer but just something to let them feel all cozy and smug. Only atheist can't live with "I don't know".

steve_bnk

First, most would not argue against the bible as being part history of the Jewish people and a very vague depiction of the origins of Christianity.

It is not unreasonble to expect there to be archeological corelations with the OT. There are correlations to places in Homer.

I read Sherlock Holms cover to cover as a kid. The storieis are filled wuith actual places in Britain and Europe, but the story itself is fiction.

The fact that the Jews did exist and there are partial historicaal truths in the OT does not prove the existence of god or Jesus Christ.

Second, I/we/us have no need to worry about things we can't explain, although some scientists may be obseesed with the quetsions. The fact is we are here now and there is an observable universe around us. Beynd that, we may not to be able explain all things about te universe.

And again, that I can not explain all about the universe does not mean a god created it.

Baalazel

Bill Joey choose one post and answer it completely. Use links if you like but do not make them a substitute for discussion. Narrow your focus and try to give one person one answer. Just because one of us replied to a post of yours dosen't mean you have to continue the exchange. Remember though that we all want to play the game and don't like being frozen out. Now, will you please answer post #10.

Baal

Martian Astronomer

Um, Bill, all this tract is saying is that all of these religions are false because they aren't Christianity. It doesn't say anything to establish the truth of the Bible, it just says "You should only believe what I'm telling you." It's not even remotely convincing.

temporalillusion

You need to buy a book to explain things so you can support why you believe what you do? Doesn't that seem a bit backwards to you?

Are you aware that out of the 5700+ fragments of the NT that have been found, no two agree? The text on every single one is different in some way than the text on every other one.

dimbulb

Bill Joey

Let's see if you see a pattern here:
Post # 1 Reference to 50 Evidences from a book with two examples poorly explained and poorly thought out.
Post #15 Links with no actual arguments from you.
Post #21 Another post without reference to your own thoughts, just links.
Post #32 Reference to a film again without any clue as to your own thoughtful evaluation of the film.
Post #36 Another reference to the ideas and conclusion of others.
Post #39 A post devoted to the need for other apologetics reference material.

See the pattern?

Where are your ideas? Your interpretations? Your reasoned conclusions? Instead you seem to bounce from carefully selected site to film to book agreeing with all you behold. Agreeing but apparently not absorbing because you can't even restate those ideas in your own words.

xaxxat

Stop whining. You should know by now that when you throw out softballs these guys here are going to hammer them...

Tristan Scott

I believe this is all you really had to say.

If you believe the earth is 6000 years old, then there isn't anything else to say.