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Valdemar · 06-08-2007, 10:38 AM

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It had nothing to do with my point and you know that. So I see no reason to push the point I mean I could give a witness statement of somebody who claims they went to Hell and came back but obviously what's the point unless your willing to accept a witness statement is evidence of Hell because if its not then you can't expect me to accept your picture as evidence otherwise your being hypocritical.

No, just bring me a picture. That's worth a thousand words.

Why can't you accept my picture as evidence? You want me to dig up a few graves for ya? I've certainly given you a hell (pun intended) of a lot more evidence than you've given me!

achristianbeliever · 06-08-2007, 10:39 AM

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No, just bring me a picture. That's worth a thousand words.

Why can't you accept my picture as evidence? You want me to dig up a few graves for ya? I've certainly given you a hell (pun intended) of a lot more evidence than you've given me!

Again proving my point.

Valdemar · 06-08-2007, 10:40 AM

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Besides your actually proving my point. I stated how atheists say theirs is the truth and Christians say theirs is the truth so here is this person saying, "Oh yeah well with this picture I'm showing that my view is the real real truth". Your merely giving an example of my point.

Sorry, you lost me there. You stated:

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The other argument is "well rotting in the grave is the truth". But that doesn't work because the Christian can argue "Hell is the truth".

I showed you that. Now show me yours.

Potoooooooo · 06-08-2007, 10:42 AM

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Because I fear losing my conscious more than any torment. Am I not allowed?

but, why? I am not being snarky here I will save that for the person who posted that nasty picture, I just want to know

achristianbeliever · 06-08-2007, 10:42 AM

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but, why? I am not being snarky here I will save that for the person who posted that nasty picture, I just want to know

Thank you for admitting the guy is being snarky.

Well first off the Bible itself talks about Hell having levels did you know that? Its true Jesus talked about how some people would find Hell more unbearable than others. And to be honest even I went to Hell I don't believe I would experience the same suffering as non-believers so that's one reason.

On the other hand what exact reason are you looking for? I find my conscious more valuable to me than my body. I don't understand what reason your looking for. I have a desire for a sense of meaning that goes beyond a desire to not experience suffering.

Valdemar · 06-08-2007, 10:44 AM

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but, why? I am not being snarky here I will save that for the person who posted that nasty picture, I just want to know

Sorry! :frown:

Jedi Mind Trick · 06-08-2007, 10:46 AM

ACB, rotting in the grave is the "truth" for Christians and atheists alike... it's not really all that difficult to understand. Why do you have to quibble so much with everything people post to you? It makes you appear to be putting up too much an effort.

HaysooChreesto! · 06-08-2007, 10:49 AM

The title of the OP is completely false unless one wants to stretch the meaning of the word "terrorism" to something that makes the current definitions of the term meaningless.

When a parent abuses a child, the child may be terrified, but that's child abuse, not terrorism. If one wants to call that terrorism then I suggest we start calling religious bombings against civilian targets, "Civilian Bomb-ism" or something just as nonsensical.

When a parent tells their child about how Jesus is going to see to it that we'll never die, the parent is communicating what they believe is true. It's not an act of violence, it's an act of love. It's very misguided to be sure, but still an act of love that is considered widely acceptable in almost every single culture on the face of the planet. It doesn't have to be about the baby Jesus who never shat in his diapers, it could be about Whomever.

To call that terrorism does us as much good as... something that doesn't do us much good.

Potoooooooo · 06-08-2007, 10:52 AM

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but, why? I am not being snarky here I will save that for the person who posted that nasty picture, I just want to know

Thank you for admitting the guy is being snarky.

Well first off the Bible itself talks about Hell having levels did you know that? Its true Jesus talked about how some people would find Hell more unbearable than others. And to be honest even I went to Hell I don't believe I would experience the same suffering as non-believers so that's one reason.

On the other hand what exact reason are you looking for? I find my conscious more valuable to me than my body. I don't understand what reason your looking for. I have a desire for a sense of meaning that goes beyond a desire to not experience suffering.

I guess that explains it, sort of. and FYI I was not saying anyone else was snarky. I was saying I felt like being snarky to the one who posted that gross pic, but he said he was sorry so we are cool now

achristianbeliever · 06-08-2007, 10:58 AM

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Why do you have to quibble so much with everything people post to you?

Point taken

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06-08-2007, 10:46 AM	#27
Jedi Mind Trick Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianaplolis Posts: 4,998	ACB, rotting in the grave is the "truth" for Christians and atheists alike... it's not really all that difficult to understand. Why do you have to quibble so much with everything people post to you? It makes you appear to be putting up too much an effort.

06-08-2007, 10:49 AM	#28
HaysooChreesto! Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SoCal USA Posts: 7,737	The title of the OP is completely false unless one wants to stretch the meaning of the word "terrorism" to something that makes the current definitions of the term meaningless. When a parent abuses a child, the child may be terrified, but that's child abuse, not terrorism. If one wants to call that terrorism then I suggest we start calling religious bombings against civilian targets, "Civilian Bomb-ism" or something just as nonsensical. When a parent tells their child about how Jesus is going to see to it that we'll never die, the parent is communicating what they believe is true. It's not an act of violence, it's an act of love. It's very misguided to be sure, but still an act of love that is considered widely acceptable in almost every single culture on the face of the planet. It doesn't have to be about the baby Jesus who never shat in his diapers, it could be about Whomever. To call that terrorism does us as much good as... something that doesn't do us much good.

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