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Old 12-22-2011, 04:27 PM   #21
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They follow Jesus and throw stones at other people
So one can be a Nazi, and a Zionist. One can follow Marxist values, and exploit the proletariat. One can follow Ghandi, and massacre.
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Paul's concept of sin was the concept of sin of the Pharisees, of which he was one, which was the concept of sin delineated in the Torah, .
Although it seems we can make Paul say something quite different by using his own words.


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But if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you are sinning if you go ahead and do it. For you are not following your convictions. If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.


I like that concept too as opposed to some pharasiac one.
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They follow Jesus and throw stones at other people
So one can be a Nazi, and a Zionist.
This charge is routinely made against the current government of Israel by Palestinians.

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One can follow Marxist values, and exploit the proletariat.
Ever read George Orwell's Animal Farm?

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One can follow Ghandi, and massacre.
Gandhi was instrumental in the formation of the modern Indian state, which has waged war and massacred people.

You can say that all of these people are hypocrites, but the same could be said of all but a very few of Jesus' followers.
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People either follow Jesus or they do not.
What they either do or do not, is, interpret the teachings attributed to him the same way you interpret them.
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So one can be a Nazi, and a Zionist.
This charge is routinely made against the current government of Israel by Palestinians.
Then Palestinians need to consult their reference books more closely.

'It is a unique variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.' Wikipedia

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Ever read George Orwell's Animal Farm?
Yes. Do go on.

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Gandhi was instrumental in the formation of the modern Indian state, which has waged war and massacred people.
But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy! Rabbie Burns


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You can say that all of these people are hypocrites, but the same could be said of all but a very few of Jesus' followers.
The very few are the followers.
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This charge is routinely made against the current government of Israel by Palestinians.
Then Palestinians need to consult their reference books more closely.

'It is a unique variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.' Wikipedia

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You need to broaden you reading a bit. Even Auschwitz survivors admit Israelis are like Nazis.
Wouldn't an Auschwitz survivor have a pretty good idea?

Israelis like nazis googel search


Auschwitz survivor: ‘Israel acts like Nazis’
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