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stuart shepherd · 02-27-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Writer@Large

Pardon my French here, but if these finds proved to be authentic*, wouldn't *both* sides of the debate--Christ-Myth and Christ-Divine--be equally fucked?

--W@L

* Highly skeptical of that, myself.

You are right.
They would probably have to shut down this forum since we wouldn't have anything to argue about

Stuart Shepherd:Cheeky:

Koyaanisqatsi · 02-27-2007, 12:54 PM

Even if the bones were there and they were proved to be the bones of Jesus from Nazareth somehow, it would change nothing.

In case no one's been paying attention, little things like "facts" don't mean jack shit to cult members.

Jesus could come back to life and say to each and every christian, "I am not a god, nor ever said I was a god and the words 'follow me' don't mean anything" and it would barely make a ripple.

"Facts" and "evidence" and icky things like that are what God made "foolish," remember? You might as well hope that by putting a Mac laptop in front of a Dell desktop, eventually the desktop would become the Mac laptop.

No doubt there would be a whole sect of believers who state that, just like dinosaur bones, God put Jesus' bones (or DNA, or whatever) in the ossuary to test our faith.

:huh:

Malachi151 · 02-27-2007, 01:01 PM

No, God put Jesus' DNA in the ossuary so that we could clone him and bring him back to life, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND COMING!!!

jeremyp · 02-27-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlOfLade

So, how do one get the DNA from God to prove that his is the biblical Jesus?

Go to a Catholic mass and take samples of the transubstantiated bread and wine.

stuart shepherd · 02-27-2007, 01:16 PM

Actually if DNA were found in the tomb, there are tests which could be made.

Several years ago I read about some Jewish organization that was doing DNA tests on Jewish men.
They were looking to create genetic profiles for priests and kings by comparing the alleged ancestry with the general population.

They are looking forward to the rebuilding of the temple and the re-establishment of the Davidic line.

If there work is accurate, perhaps the tomb DNA could be examined to see if it had the genetic markers known to belong to descendants of David.

Stuart Shepherd

jakejonesiv · 02-27-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Maybe they can match it with the DNA from bloodstains on the turin shroud?

I thought that CSICOP determined that the "blood" ws paint. Is there any proff to the contrary?

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BLOOD. The Associated Press reported claims that the shroud bears type AB blood stains. Perhaps this erroneous information has its origin in other fake shrouds of Jesus, since the Shroud of Turin's stains are not only suspiciously red (unlike genuine blood that blackens with age) but they failed batteries of tests by internationally known forensic experts. The "blood" has been definitively proved to be composed of red ocher and vermilion tempera paint.
Recent Shroud Claims Based on Earlier, Scientifically Discredited Data

Jake Jones IV

jeremyp · 02-27-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stuart shepherd

If there work is accurate, perhaps the tomb DNA could be examined to see if it had the genetic markers known to belong to descendants of David.

I think finding DNA from King David to compare with the DNA from the tomb would be only slightly less problematic than finding DNA of God to compare with the DNA from the tomb.

However, if we could do it, and Joseph-from-the-tomb's DNA nmatched David's but Jesus-from-the-tomb's did not, we would be that bit closer to proving this was Jesus. If it turned out that Jesus-from-the-tomb was crucified, even better.

Malachi151 · 02-27-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremyp

I think finding DNA from King David to compare with the DNA from the tomb would be only slightly less problematic than finding DNA of God to compare with the DNA from the tomb.

However, if we could do it, and Joseph-from-the-tomb's DNA nmatched David's but Jesus-from-the-tomb's did not, we would be that bit closer to proving this was Jesus. If it turned out that Jesus-from-the-tomb was crucified, even better.

That was my other question. They claims that there were bones in the ossuary, but why no discussion of whether or not they showed signs of crucifixion?

darinmac · 02-27-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Writer@Large

Pardon my French here, but if these finds proved to be authentic*, wouldn't *both* sides of the debate--Christ-Myth and Christ-Divine--be equally fucked?

--W@L

* Highly skeptical of that, myself.

no because saying that jesus existed has really never been in question ,there are many different sources that spoke of jesus .......what it would prove is that jesus is not this all mystical son of god,and that he was as many people say ,just another pimp for Christianity,definetly not the son of god ,so the divine christ side would seem to be ass out ,and it would give some credence to the christ as a myth side

Casper · 02-28-2007, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jakejonesiv

I thought that CSICOP determined that the "blood" ws paint. Is there any proff to the contrary?

Jake Jones IV

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02-27-2007, 12:54 PM	#22
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	Even if the bones were there and they were proved to be the bones of Jesus from Nazareth somehow, it would change nothing. In case no one's been paying attention, little things like "facts" don't mean jack shit to cult members. Jesus could come back to life and say to each and every christian, "I am not a god, nor ever said I was a god and the words 'follow me' don't mean anything" and it would barely make a ripple. "Facts" and "evidence" and icky things like that are what God made "foolish," remember? You might as well hope that by putting a Mac laptop in front of a Dell desktop, eventually the desktop would become the Mac laptop. No doubt there would be a whole sect of believers who state that, just like dinosaur bones, God put Jesus' bones (or DNA, or whatever) in the ossuary to test our faith. :huh:

02-27-2007, 01:01 PM	#23
Malachi151 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,674	No, God put Jesus' DNA in the ossuary so that we could clone him and bring him back to life, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND COMING!!!

02-27-2007, 01:16 PM	#25
stuart shepherd Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 315	Actually if DNA were found in the tomb, there are tests which could be made. Several years ago I read about some Jewish organization that was doing DNA tests on Jewish men. They were looking to create genetic profiles for priests and kings by comparing the alleged ancestry with the general population. They are looking forward to the rebuilding of the temple and the re-establishment of the Davidic line. If there work is accurate, perhaps the tomb DNA could be examined to see if it had the genetic markers known to belong to descendants of David. Stuart Shepherd

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