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Old 07-10-2006, 10:49 AM   #11
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Thanks for this response.

It makes me appreciate the possiblity that the ancient measure
is still preserved in the modern world.
The ancient measures, or rather certain numerical/geometrical proportions and scales are preserved in various forms in the weight and measuring systems and unit standards that employed by many nations, in most cases however, the underlying principals have been long since forgotten and/or replaced with latter "explanations" that are not cognizant of the original relationships, this leaves a lot of "interesting coincidences" between the worlds differing units and systems of mensuration.
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However to clarify one point, my reference to "discontinuities
of the calender" were intended towards the western calendar
(Gregorian), in which certain alterations were made:

1) to differentiate itself from the ancient traditions (at inception), and

2) to make some adjustments during its course since inception until now.

The point I'd like to clarify is this:

Can the western calendar be reconciled to the ancient tradition (eg: Torah)
such that the discontinuities in the former be accounted for in the latter?

Thanks again for your response.
It is encouraging to be corrected.

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The history of the development of, and the "adjustments" to, and changes made in common "Western calendars" over the last three millinia is abundant and is well documented, resulting in a "system" adapted to the theology peculiar to Western world and its ("Christian") religion, and through international commerce, and widespread social adaption and acceptance, becoming the increasingly accepted and dominating paradigm.
With respect to the subject of the calendar that that they employ in regulating their lives, few people are willing, or are even capable of "thinking outside of the box" of their own accepted social paradigms, even the most skeptical and otherwise critical of Western religions remain for their entire lives mentally enslaved to its "Church counsel" mandated restricting modes of thought and reasoning in regard to their perceptions of time and of its divisions.

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The point I'd like to clarify is this:

Can the western calendar be reconciled to the ancient tradition (eg: Torah)
such that the discontinuities in the former be accounted for in the latter?
I do not believe that such is possible in any fashion that would serve any useful purpose other than religious agendas as bald assertions of "Church" authority without accounting, that is, while religion might choose to assert that this or that ancient event took place on this or that "date" as measured by their "calendar", their calendar being a complete anachronism, would not accurately reflect the then current divisions of nor perceptions of time.
For example a such a claim that the earth was created on "August 15th of *****", or that the ark came to rest on Mount Ararat on "July 17th" is always bogus, even apart from any mythological absurdities.

But that does not mean that we cannot glean certain facts from the ancient texts and archaeological evidences that can increase our ability to understand the thinking inherent in earlier cultures that were not conformed to latter Xian ideas.
The three hundred sixty day calendar of twelve thirty day "months", was a fact, and an accepted paradigm within the ancient world for thousands of years, employed while building some of the worlds most renowned civilizations, they were not as backward nor as ignorant as Xianity managed to lead the world into accepting.
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The ancient measures, or rather certain numerical/geometrical proportions and scales are preserved in various forms in the weight and measuring systems and unit standards that employed by many nations, in most cases however, the underlying principals have been long since forgotten and/or replaced with latter "explanations" that are not cognizant of the original relationships, this leaves a lot of "interesting coincidences" between the worlds differing units and systems of mensuration.


The history of the development of, and the "adjustments" to, and changes made in common "Western calendars" over the last three millinia is abundant and is well documented, resulting in a "system" adapted to the theology peculiar to Western world and its ("Christian") religion, and through international commerce, and widespread social adaption and acceptance, becoming the increasingly accepted and dominating paradigm.
With respect to the subject of the calendar that that they employ in regulating their lives, few people are willing, or are even capable of "thinking outside of the box" of their own accepted social paradigms, even the most skeptical and otherwise critical of Western religions remain for their entire lives mentally enslaved to its "Church counsel" mandated restricting modes of thought and reasoning in regard to their perceptions of time and of its divisions.


I do not believe that such is possible in any fashion that would serve any useful purpose other than religious agendas as bald assertions of "Church" authority without accounting, that is, while religion might choose to assert that this or that ancient event took place on this or that "date" as measured by their "calendar", their calendar being a complete anachronism, would not accurately reflect the then current divisions of nor perceptions of time.
For example a such a claim that the earth was created on "August 15th of *****", or that the ark came to rest on Mount Ararat on "July 17th" is always bogus, even apart from any mythological absurdities.

But that does not mean that we cannot glean certain facts from the ancient texts and archaeological evidences that can increase our ability to understand the thinking inherent in earlier cultures that were not conformed to latter Xian ideas.
The three hundred sixty day calendar of twelve thirty day "months", was a fact, and an accepted paradigm within the ancient world for thousands of years, employed while building some of the worlds most renowned civilizations, they were not as backward nor as ignorant as Xianity managed to lead the world into accepting.


Thanks again for these further comments concerning the integrity
of what we are accustomed to calling our "Western Calendar", and
the comparison between this and alternative measures of time, that
have been observed by other planetary traditions down through the
succession of days from our shared antiquity.



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