Bright Life

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I think that the sadness here is not in sympathy to the pain of that animal, but to the hardened heart that finds pleasure in the misfortune of any other human being.

I think that man is a wretched waste of human potential. But to expend any energy "enjoying" his present state of decline...it does me no good.

seebs

Yes.

post tenebras lux

And I cannot speak for anyone else, either, but I think that the OP was actually trying to be about whether Falwell should have been admitted to a hospital and entrusted to the care of the medical profession given his previous actions and statements, which - presumably - give some indication as to his personal beliefs.
[Side-note: if Seebs or anyone else wants to deny that we can trust that indication then I don't care. Do bears shit in the wood? Is wrestling fixed? Was Humpty-Dumpty fat and does the pope wear a silly hat? Yes. Yes. Yes and yes. But ask if Falwell is a christian and apparently Seebs doesn't know. Is there anybody else here who isn't sure if Falwell is a christian?]

Unfortunately, the very first reply to the OP appeared to be a negative derailment with Seebs' 'If you dislike him so much, why are you emulating the worst of his methods?' line.

I'm still trying to work out why Seebs posted it (if not as a negative derailment or as a gloat), but it's hard work when we can't even get a consensus on whether Falwell is actually a christian or not.
I'll repeat my question, but in a normal sized font: Is there anybody else here who isn't sure if Falwell is a christian?

The secondary question, of whether - given that Falwell has frequently kicked people when they're down - it is OK to kick him when he is down, does actually tie in with what I thought was the main thrust of the OP. Under International Human Rights legislations, certain people who have violated other people's human rights - war criminals for example - do get excluded from claiming assistance when their 'human rights' are violated.

If Saddam Hussein did not have the right to flee to Europe and try and claim refugee status, then why should Falwell - who could be considered a war criminal in his war against modern science and morality - be allowed to avail himself of modern science and morality's protection and assistance just because his odious sky pimp has not granted him perfect health?

I think that that's a valid question, and I would much prefer that that topic was discussed rather than continue this derailment over whether it's OK to be rude about such a bigotted twat as Falwell.

Luxie

post tenebras lux

Just to point out that, from what Seebs has shared with me, Carroll relies upon an unreferenced 'Hitler quote' (apparently a misattributed quote, according to another poster, who said it had been made by Hitler's secretary).

Much as I understand that Seebs might have a soft spot for Carroll due to his mother knowing him, please note that the fact that Seebs feels 'unable to form an affirmative opinion' should not be taken to imply that other people will think 'that the face value evidence is too weak and/or ambiguous'.

Is the pope catholic? Is Falwell a christian? Was Hitler a christian? I think the answer to those three questions is: 'Yes, yes, and yes'. Seebs seems to think the answer is: 'we don't know for sure, we don't know for sure, and we certainly don't know for sure'.

I don't know if Seebs is sure that he - Seebs or Falwell - personally actually exists, but I hope he carries his scepticism over into that quarter just to be consistent.

Luxie

emeraldsforest

First I would like to say thank you for seeing what I wrote and understanding the post.

My greatest frustration is that here on a website supposedly dedicated to infidels, (of which I am one), I am attacked for not holding to values of what some perceive to be christian values and being falsely accused of being a hypocrite by a moderator of this site. Now my words are edited to hide their faux pas.

I would like to repost my original post, this time with explanations.

Taking a stand to Falwell

Here I am clearly stating my intent for the posting

Dear Jerry Fallinhell.. I mean Fallwell,

Here I am making a play on his last name, nothing that Saturday Night Live wouldn't do and I have used this pet name for Mr. Falwell for years.

In the hospital for the second time spending his flocks money on scientific medicine !!

In this post, I clearly am showing how not only does Mr. Falwell earn his keep by putting down science, but he spends the money of his followers depending on science when it comes to his own health for the second time within a few weeks.

There is no gloating of his medical condition here.. as I have been accused of by the same modifier of this infidel site who called me a hypocrite, but clearly and specifically, I mention my frustration by pointing out his hypocrisy of condemning science, then turning around and using it

People like this in a perfect world should be refused admittance.

What a horrible man who puts down science all of the time. Such a hypocrite to be taking antiboitics and receiving hospital care.

Here again, I even clarify my prior statements and express how unfair I feel it is to allow such a person services by the very people he has spent much of his life condemning. Which in my opinion is like asking the Jewish people to heal Hitler.

No hypocrisy on my part yet., Still no gloating about his medical condition.

Where are his flocks prayers? Where is "God"? And finally, What a GLUTTON.. Isn't that one of the sins that sends you to hell?

Here I am expressing the alternative for Mr Falwell's health care that he professes and proclaims himself to be valid and true, and per his words then still feel that if he proclaims this, then let this be where he seeks his help.

I then separate the issues and state another observation of hypocrisy that I have noticed for years about Mr.(Dr.) Falwell. One of the seven deadly sins gluttony. For he as condemned not only scientists, but others for falling short of what "God" wants them to be, yet here he is a glutton!

That, was the post. And somehow, the moderators declared that it had nothing to do with religion, that I am a hypocrite for posting this citing their own value system, (which I have not and do not claim to be a part of), and finally that I was gloating over a deadly condition that this old man has... (Note: I never mentioned his medical condition)

Now I am being as polite about this issue in this post as I can as I am edited here for stating my defense.

So again I would like to say thank you for being a voice in defense as there has been no one else to do so.

I have been a large contributor for infidels and the support of infidels for a long time now and have made many friends in the community we try and hold together as well as the scientific community. I was highly offended by these false accusations and especially from modifiers of this website. Which leads me to a question: Are they christian modifiers here on an infidel site? How unfair and highly disappointing if this is the case.

I will be curious to see how much of this post gets edited, versus apologies.

emeralds :huh:

Dean Anderson

Emeraldsforest,

You have been warned twice now not to complain about moderation within thread, but to take it to the Problems & Complaints forum instead.

Since you still insist on derailing this thread with you complaints I have no alternative but to lock it.