chimaira

hello has all, I read an article which shows that the stories of Gospels, were borrowed of Tanakh, if it is true have of other articles please ?

http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/mirc1.htm

Thank you all

Clivedurdle

Come on someone, how much of this is agreed, which bits controversial?

Steven Avery

As I have pointed out in other threads, frequently the socalled Septuatint (actually the Greek OT) was "smoothed" to match NT wording on Messianic prophecy (improperly, because the scribes did not simply accept the Hebrew/Aramaic Bible as full scripture and understand the NT midrash on Tanach). Exact wordings in 4th to 6th century Greek OT manuscripts to the NT would match this theory to a "T". There is no evidence of such matching in Greek OT manuscripts from before the time of the NT, as we have virtually zilch such early Greek OT manuscripts. And very few of matched Greek OT/NT readings will have support in any other auxiliary version, such as the Vulgate, Peshitta, Targum or the DSS.

This matching was done principally by alexandrian scribes, the same incompetent scribes that gave us the NT Vaticanus and Sinaiticus.

Shalom,
Praxeas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/

Vorkosigan

C'mon, Prax. Don't stop there! Go all the way! Prove that Sinaiticus was forged by Simonides......

Chimaira, if you check my Mark Commentary, you can find, for most pericopes, the OT derivation. Go here. I've pulled these all from scholarly articles, only one have I deduced myself. The references are all there.

A great book on the topic is Helms' Gospel Fictions. Also good are Robert Price's two books.

Vorkosigan

Diogenes the Cynic

It's pretty an uncontroversial point of NT scholarship that large portions of the Gospels wer fabricated from the Tanakh, generally from completely decontextualized passages.

Chris Weimer

The two largest examples (and I haven't read the article yet, so bear with me) is that Mark took much from the OT, and Matthew took Mark and also added a parallel with Moses, like Herod's slaughter of the infants corresponds with the slaying of the passover and his Beatitudes correspond with the Commandments on the Mountain.

chimaira

thank you Vorkosigan

bye bye all