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Old 03-10-2012, 07:16 AM   #281
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...Sometime very early after Jesus' death, his followers and those who joined them (like Paul) believed Jesus had risen from the dead...
Your claim is UTTERLY unsubstantiated.

The very sources that YOU USE do NOT even describe Jesus as Human.

Please, please, please!!!! You are NOT allowed to IMPOSE your imagination-- you are ONLY allowed to present the WRITTEN statements of antiquity.

You very well know that Jesus was claimed to be the Child of a Ghost.

You cannot change the story of Jesus.

You cannot change the SUPERMAN story.

You cannot change the Robin Hood story.

You cannot change Plutarch's Romulus.

You are NOT allowed to alter anything from antiquity.

In court trials, NO-ONE can change the evidence.


Once you present the NT Canon as evidence then the WRITTEN statements cannot be changed.

Jesus of the NT was the Child of a Ghost, God the Creator, that Transfigured, Walked on water, Resurrected and Ascended.

Please, please, please!!!! You cannot ALTER the Written statements in the Canon.

The NT CANON does NOT support the Heresy that Jesus was human and NO author of the NT claimed Jesus had a human Father.

It is mind boggling how people here can IMPOSE their imagination on others and do so WITHOUT a shred of corroboration from credible sources of antiquity.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:20 AM   #282
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Acts places 'Paul' to follow on the gospel JC timeline.
I don't care what Acts says. I don't think there is any real history in it.

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The letters attributed to 'Paul' reflect a christian context that could not, to my thinking, have been an actuality in Jerusalem prior to 70 c.e.
It certainly does not reflect Christianity as we know it. I don't believe that kind of Christianity even existed before the second century or, just possibly, very late first century.

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If you want to uphold the idea that the letters attributed to the NT 'Paul' were indeed written by that self same 'Paul' . . . .
The same Paul as which Paul? The Paul of Acts? I'm not claiming that.

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- then supply the evidence.
I did. The writer called himself Paul. That is evidence that his name was Paul.

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A name on a document is not evidence that the document was written by the person named on that document.
Hmm. Maybe you'd better give me your definition of "evidence." You and I don't seem to be referring to quite the same thing when we use that word.
I suggest that you take your document, manuscript, with the name of Paul on it, to a court of Law - and see how far you will get trying to prove that the name on a piece of paper is evidence that the writer was the name on that piece of paper.
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I did. The writer called himself Paul. That is evidence that his name was Paul.
Which one was named Paul??? The Paul of the letter to Timothy, the Paul of the one to Titus, the Paul to Philemon, the Paul to Galatians, the Paul to Corinthians, the Paul to the Ephesians, the Paul to the Thessalonicans, the Paul to the Philippians, or the Paul to the Colossians???

As soon as it was deduced that letters under the name of Paul had MULTIPLE authors then your argument collapsed into RUBBLE.

It is the complete opposite--we have ZERO credible evidence to support the claim that the actual author of any letter was named Paul and that any of the letters were really written during the 1st century before c 68 CE.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:23 AM   #284
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Please, please, please!!!! You are NOT allowed to IMPOSE your imagination--
That goes for you LOL


you would not have a thing to say, as you fill the blanks of the knowledge at hand with imagination
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:26 AM   #285
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You very well know that Jesus was claimed to be the Child of a Ghost.
YOU really need to stop ignoring the fact hellenized romans wrote the mythical jesus story.

NOT the sect of judaism that the real HJ created based in part on Johns teachings.


You have two opposites. Paul would have been jesus blood enemy and would have hated everything about paul and looked at paul as his enemy and part of the real problem at hand.


Jesus hated the hellenization of judaism and more so the roman infection to Yahweh's temple.
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you are ONLY allowed to present the WRITTEN statements of antiquity.
False.

that is NOT how valid history is created.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:29 AM   #287
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It is mind boggling how people here can IMPOSE their imagination on others and do so WITHOUT a shred of corroboration from credible sources of antiquity.

No its amazing how ignorant people are to the scientific methods of historians, and modern scholarships.

then try and epically fail at creating their own little version of history based on biased fantasy through ignorance
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you are ONLY allowed to present the WRITTEN statements of antiquity.
False.

that is NOT how valid history is created.
It is already known that you "validate" your history of your Jesus by IMAGINATION.

Only EVIDENCE of the PAST can be used to re-create history.

History is the PRODUCT of EVIDENCE of the Past.
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False.

that is NOT how valid history is created.
It is already known that you "validate" your history of your Jesus by IMAGINATION.

Only EVIDENCE of the PAST can be used to re-create history.

History is the PRODUCT of EVIDENCE of the Past.
again, your ignorance or refusal to accept, the method of finding histroricity is noted.
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It is mind boggling how people here can IMPOSE their imagination on others and do so WITHOUT a shred of corroboration from credible sources of antiquity.

No its amazing how ignorant people are to the scientific methods of historians, and modern scholarships.

then try and epically fail at creating their own little version of history based on biased fantasy through ignorance
Are you an historian or one of the people who are ignorant???

Please IDENTIFY yourself.

Please tell us how you managed to maintain your version of history if you are NOT an historian???

How can we be sure that you are NOT exactly like or far worse than the people you accuse of being ignorant???

Please IDENTIFY yourself.

You are NOT a Scholar???

You are NOT an Historian???

Who are you???

I will now tell you some of the IGNORANCE in the NT.

Jesus was the Son of a Ghost, God the Creator that WALKED on water, transfigured, resurrected and ascended.

Do you believe that Ignorance called the NT contains the history of your version of the history of your Jesus???
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