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David Henson · 08-09-2010, 12:39 PM

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But, whether or not there were people called Ananias and Sapphira the story, as it is in Acts 5, is fundamentally FALSE or a lie.

It is not realistic that people who lie about money will be struck down by some Jesus and his father in heaven.

Sounds like an assumption to me. Can you say for certain that there are no spirit beings capable of doing that or through people, or would you have to tack on there "as far as I know."

aa5874 · 08-09-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

But, whether or not there were people called Ananias and Sapphira the story, as it is in Acts 5, is fundamentally FALSE or a lie.

It is not realistic that people who lie about money will be struck down by some Jesus and his father in heaven.

Sounds like an assumption to me. Can you say for certain that there are no spirit beings capable of doing that or through people, or would you have to tack on there "as far as I know."

Please state the capabilities of the spirit beings you know.

And, name the last incident, as far as you know outside of Acts, where a spirit being killed someone for lying about money.

David Henson · 08-09-2010, 01:21 PM

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Sounds like an assumption to me. Can you say for certain that there are no spirit beings capable of doing that or through people, or would you have to tack on there "as far as I know."

Please state the capabilities of the spirit beings you know.

And, name the last incident, as far as you know outside of Acts, where a spirit being killed someone for lying about money.

Why? Because if I couldn't it couldn't be true?

Johnny Skeptic · 08-09-2010, 01:27 PM

Message to David Henson: Please reply to posts #3 and #12 in a thread at http://freeratio.org/showthread.php?...polations+here
that is titled "Interpolations here, interpolations there, interpolations everywhere," and please reply to any other posts in that thread that interest you.

Johnny Skeptic · 08-09-2010, 01:31 PM

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Sounds like an assumption to me. Can you [aa5874] say for certain that there are no spirit beings capable of doing that or through people, or would you have to tack on there "as far as I know."

Of course not, nor can you say for certain that Hillary Clintion is a human being and not an alien, and that the God of deism does not exist, but if spirit beings exist, you cannot provide reasonable proof regarding where they came from.

Toto · 08-09-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

But, whether or not there were people called Ananias and Sapphira the story, as it is in Acts 5, is fundamentally FALSE or a lie.

It is not realistic that people who lie about money will be struck down by some Jesus and his father in heaven.

Sounds like an assumption to me. Can you say for certain that there are no spirit beings capable of doing that or through people, or would you have to tack on there "as far as I know."

If there were spirit beings who can strike down people who lie about money, why is Pat Robertson still alive? Why is Benny Hinn living in a mansion paid for by fake healing? Why are all the mortgage brokers who sent the US economy into a tailspin - including a whole army of "properity gospel" pastors - still alive?

I rest my case.

Johnny Skeptic · 08-09-2010, 02:26 PM

Message to David Henson: You frequently quote the Bible, but even if a God inspired the original Bible, but how can you be reasonably certain that God inspired the Scriptures that you quote, and that the Scriptures that you quote are true?

David Henson · 08-09-2010, 02:31 PM

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Of course not, nor can you say for certain that Hillary Clintion is a human being and not an alien, and that the God of deism does not exist, but if spirit beings exist, you cannot provide reasonable proof regarding where they came from.

I can say for sure that the God of deism does exist. Hilary Clinton not being an alien I'm not so sure of but that brings me to the next point, Johnny. Neither of us can say that aliens don't exist the same as neither one of us can say for sure that spirit creatures exist.

If the Bible said that aliens did exist you would deny them, correct? Otherwise you may be more inclined to speculate.

P.S. All there need be for a god to exist is to say there is a god, so the God of deism exists as a God of Deists. If I said that my PC moniter was my God my PC moniter would exist, not only in a literal sense but also simply as a god. The word god simply means anything or anyone who is given might or is venerated by another.

David Henson · 08-09-2010, 02:33 PM

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If there were spirit beings who can strike down people who lie about money, why is Pat Robertson still alive? Why is Benny Hinn living in a mansion paid for by fake healing? Why are all the mortgage brokers who sent the US economy into a tailspin - including a whole army of "properity gospel" pastors - still alive?

I rest my case.

Heh, if only. The difference I pointed out in my first post in this thread. Peter had been given the authority to use the holy spirit.

David Henson · 08-09-2010, 02:35 PM

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Message to David Henson: You frequently quote the Bible, but even if a God inspired the original Bible, but how can you be reasonably certain that God inspired the Scriptures that you quote, and that the Scriptures that you quote are true?

Careful study and examination. If I ever think otherwise I will be here with the other atheists procliaming the Bible as fraud.

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08-09-2010, 01:27 PM	#24
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to David Henson: Please reply to posts #3 and #12 in a thread at http://freeratio.org/showthread.php?...polations+here that is titled "Interpolations here, interpolations there, interpolations everywhere," and please reply to any other posts in that thread that interest you.

08-09-2010, 02:26 PM	#27
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to David Henson: You frequently quote the Bible, but even if a God inspired the original Bible, but how can you be reasonably certain that God inspired the Scriptures that you quote, and that the Scriptures that you quote are true?

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