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wala · 07-26-2004, 04:28 PM

The penalty for man's sin is hanging my son!

The question though, is for those who hold that mankind was saved through Jesus's "Substitutionary atoment".....why did God do it that way. Was there not an alternative? Couldnt the all powerful king of the world and creator of things as they are have, for example, just decreed a general amnesty, or mitigated the punishement to something milder?

Did God choose to do it that way (one choice among many alternatives)
or was God constrained in some way to do it that way?

If you think of God as a wise and benevolent king, can you imagine the king saying something like "The penalty for man's sin is hanging my son"

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Nasreddin · 07-26-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wala

...why did God do it that way.

Blood fetish?

wala · 07-26-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nasreddin

Blood fetish?

Jesus father hated his son and killed him in revenge in order to atone for all of man's sin.

Jesus is poor victim of a cruel and blood thirsty father.He was sent here by his father who placed him into the impossible position of either dying for us, or refusing, thereby letting us all die a cruel death at the hands of his blood thirsty father

It is we who are the victims of a cosmic joke and the Christians are the
stand up comics who are delivering it.

Solsticin · 07-26-2004, 06:16 PM

*feels the need to sing "Every Sperm is Sacred" for some reason*

Top 10 reasons for God killing his son:

10. Damn dirty hippies!

9. Mary getting old, wrinkled, and embarassing. Gotta hide the evidence of the indiscretion!

8. Wait, my son is hanging around with 12 guys, all weekend? No women at ALL?? ABOMINATION!!!

7. Decided that maybe, just maybe, Barabass wasn't such a bad guy. Jesus DID get that "F" in math after all.

6. He killed what kind of tree? FIGS? That's my favorite!

5. Got prune skin last time he flooded the world.

4. Uppity Jews you say? Hmmmm.

3. Jesus was hanging around stinking fisherman. At least, I hope that is fish I'm smelling. Yuck.

2. "I think I can last 3 days!"

"Oh yeah, I think I can last 2!"

"Hmmph, I can last one day!"

"Jesus, hang on that cross" (bad name that tune reference huh? LOL Sorry)

1. I'm pure. 100% good. All knowing. All powerful. I can do anything! Metal chariots be damned! Even Satan bows before ...huh? He doesn't? Jesus Christ! Hey, that gives me an idea! ...

I have got to stop doing these. It's addictive.

jdlongmire · 07-26-2004, 06:21 PM

I actually though about responding, at first, then realized it was a rant and decided not to. Thanks, anyway.

Solsticin · 07-26-2004, 06:27 PM

I don't see that as a rant. It's a legitimate question. God seems to think everything can be solved by killing something (at least, until after he killed his son). Is God the original Republican? OK, just kidding there, but do you see my point? (I am a Republican btw, though I'm ashamed these days, and will be voting for Kerry since I'm not an idiot)

<slightly off topic>
A better question though, in reality, would be, "Why do we not call what Jesus did Suicide"? It was, after all, him killing himself. Jesus could clearly see the future (for instance, his prediction about his second coming, albeit wrong in my eyes) so he knew he was going to die, and, in fact, was sent to do so.
</slightly off topic>

jdlongmire · 07-26-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Solsticin

<slightly off topic>
A better question though, in reality, would be, "Why do we not call what Jesus did Suicide"? It was, after all, him killing himself. Jesus could clearly see the future (for instance, his prediction about his second coming, albeit wrong in my eyes) so he knew he was going to die, and, in fact, was sent to do so.
</slightly off topic>

Because suicide is selfish and sinful, not eternally damnable, though...may make a good alternate thread...

Nasreddin · 07-27-2004, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Solsticin

Jesus could clearly see the future (for instance, his prediction about his second coming, albeit wrong in my eyes) so he knew he was going to die, and, in fact, was sent to do so.

Went to do so, even, what with Jesus himself being God and all.

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Originally Posted by jdlongmire

Because suicide is selfish and sinful, not eternally damnable

So something can be sinful and, at the same time, not deserving damnation?
Can I quote you on that?

07-26-2004, 04:28 PM	#1
wala Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ape town Posts: 169	The penalty for man's sin is hanging my son! The penalty for man's sin is hanging my son! The question though, is for those who hold that mankind was saved through Jesus's "Substitutionary atoment".....why did God do it that way. Was there not an alternative? Couldnt the all powerful king of the world and creator of things as they are have, for example, just decreed a general amnesty, or mitigated the punishement to something milder? Did God choose to do it that way (one choice among many alternatives) or was God constrained in some way to do it that way? If you think of God as a wise and benevolent king, can you imagine the king saying something like "The penalty for man's sin is hanging my son" Bumper Sticker l================================================= =l Divine Insanity God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own wrath ! l================================================= =l

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07-26-2004, 06:16 PM	#4
Solsticin Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Grand Prairie, Texas Posts: 435	feels the need to sing "Every Sperm is Sacred" for some reason Top 10 reasons for God killing his son: 10. Damn dirty hippies! 9. Mary getting old, wrinkled, and embarassing. Gotta hide the evidence of the indiscretion! 8. Wait, my son is hanging around with 12 guys, all weekend? No women at ALL?? ABOMINATION!!! 7. Decided that maybe, just maybe, Barabass wasn't such a bad guy. Jesus DID get that "F" in math after all. 6. He killed what kind of tree? FIGS? That's my favorite! 5. Got prune skin last time he flooded the world. 4. Uppity Jews you say? Hmmmm. 3. Jesus was hanging around stinking fisherman. At least, I hope that is fish I'm smelling. Yuck. 2. "I think I can last 3 days!" "Oh yeah, I think I can last 2!" "Hmmph, I can last one day!" "Jesus, hang on that cross" (bad name that tune reference huh? LOL Sorry) 1. I'm pure. 100% good. All knowing. All powerful. I can do anything! Metal chariots be damned! Even Satan bows before ...huh? He doesn't? Jesus Christ! Hey, that gives me an idea! ... I have got to stop doing these. It's addictive.

07-26-2004, 06:21 PM	#5
jdlongmire Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: American by birth, Southern by the grace of God! Posts: 2,657	I actually though about responding, at first, then realized it was a rant and decided not to. Thanks, anyway.

07-26-2004, 06:27 PM	#6
Solsticin Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Grand Prairie, Texas Posts: 435	I don't see that as a rant. It's a legitimate question. God seems to think everything can be solved by killing something (at least, until after he killed his son). Is God the original Republican? OK, just kidding there, but do you see my point? (I am a Republican btw, though I'm ashamed these days, and will be voting for Kerry since I'm not an idiot) <slightly off topic> A better question though, in reality, would be, "Why do we not call what Jesus did Suicide"? It was, after all, him killing himself. Jesus could clearly see the future (for instance, his prediction about his second coming, albeit wrong in my eyes) so he knew he was going to die, and, in fact, was sent to do so. </slightly off topic>

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