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Old 06-08-2011, 11:05 AM   #71
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Well Abe, if you cannot understand my question, I suppose that explains a lot. However, I think you actually do understand it and, for whatever reason, prefer to obfuscate.
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Well Abe, if you cannot understand my question, I suppose that explains a lot. However, I think you actually do understand it and, for whatever reason, prefer to obfuscate.
I don't understand your question. I am just so stupid that you shouldn't even bother with me. I will do you a service now and put you on my ignore list, so I won't lead you into any more of my obfuscating lines of dialogue.
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Well Abe, if you cannot understand my question, I suppose that explains a lot. However, I think you actually do understand it and, for whatever reason, prefer to obfuscate.
I don't understand your question. I am just so stupid that you shouldn't even bother with me. I will do you a service now and put you on my ignore list, so I won't lead you into any more of my obfuscating lines of dialogue.
How is doing so any different then your usual responses, again, in reality?
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If anyone else thinks that there is a significant possibility that the Agony in the Garden is a work of fiction (not just religious myth), then please let me know.
Of course it is a work of fiction. The author of Mark created it from scratch based on the OT and Paul.
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If anyone else thinks that there is a significant possibility that the Agony in the Garden is a work of fiction (not just religious myth), then please let me know.
Of course it is a work of fiction. The author of Mark created it from scratch based on the OT and Paul.
That would follow one of the patterns of religious myth (inspired by previous religious myths), not the patterns of fiction (written to entertain).
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Of course it is a work of fiction. The author of Mark created it from scratch based on the OT and Paul.
That would follow one of the patterns of religious myth (inspired by previous religious myths), not the patterns of fiction (written to entertain).
In reality, fiction written for religious purposes versus fiction written for entertainment purposes is fiction none the less...
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That would follow one of the patterns of religious myth (inspired by previous religious myths), not the patterns of fiction (written to entertain).
Quite a bit of fiction is written at least as much for enlightenment or education (in the author's perception, of course) as for entertainment. Witness Ayn Rand's novels, or a substantial fraction of science fiction.
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That would follow one of the patterns of religious myth (inspired by previous religious myths), not the patterns of fiction (written to entertain).
Quite a bit of fiction is written at least as much for enlightenment or education (in the author's perception, of course) as for entertainment. Witness Ayn Rand's novels, or a substantial fraction of science fiction.
Right. Some fiction stories are even inspired by religious myths. Do you think that the gospel of Mark may have been written as like a fictional novel?
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Right. Some fiction stories are even inspired by religious myths. Do you think that the gospel of Mark may have been written as like a fictional novel?
Yes. Have you read Cueva's The Myths of Fiction (or via: amazon.co.uk)?
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Right. Some fiction stories are even inspired by religious myths. Do you think that the gospel of Mark may have been written as like a fictional novel?
Yes. Have you read Cueva's The Myths of Fiction (or via: amazon.co.uk)?
One interesting part of Cueva's book is that it dates the earliest surviving complete Greek novels to the 2nd century CE.

This probably has implications for the relevance of the novels to the NT, (at least for those who date the canonical Gospels to the 1st century CE).

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