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justsumner · 10-06-2004, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spin

If the resurrection were a metaphysican event then you have no way of transforming it into the objective world and therefore it becomes rather meaningless in that objective world.

If heaven were a place on earth and every place on earth has been visited, then someone has certainly been to heaven, yet, to quote Omar Khayyam, "none have returned to tell the tale", so we may assume that the first premise is wrong. If it requires a change in vision, then states of metanoia put one outside objectivity and what they perceive does not reflect on objectivity, ie they don't mean anything when you attempt to communicate them objectively.

spin

Heaven is a place on Earth and many have visited. I am buying a Vacation home there next year (with any luck)

Ever heard of Prince Edward Island? :wave:

Chili · 10-06-2004, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by justsumner

ha ha ha.

Good god. Metaphyics is history now? :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

History? Who is talking about history?

If it is a metaphysical event it is timeless and therefore true.

justsumner · 10-06-2004, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

History? Who is talking about history?

If it is a metaphysical event it is timeless and therefore true.

Riiight. Try reading the entire thread next time.

Sven · 10-06-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WILLOWTREE

Impossible !

You misspelled something, let me correct it for you:

IRREFUTABLE!

The rest of your post isn't worth commenting on.

Sven · 10-06-2004, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

Glen Morton has a wonderful page on this nonsense:

Umm, sorry, Vorkosigan - WILLOWTREE was talking about hominid fossils.

But his claim that these would fit into a small box is still laughable. :rolling:

BTW, even if this were true: If Creationism were true, this box should be empty. Case closed.

Chili · 10-06-2004, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by spin

If the resurrection were a metaphysican event then you have no way of transforming it into the objective world and therefore it becomes rather meaningless in that objective world.

If heaven were a place on earth and every place on earth has been visited, then someone has certainly been to heaven, yet, to quote Omar Khayyam, "none have returned to tell the tale", so we may assume that the first premise is wrong. If it requires a change in vision, then states of metanoia put one outside objectivity and what they perceive does not reflect on objectivity, ie they don't mean anything when you attempt to communicate them objectively.

spin

It's a state of mind spin, wherein Atlantis has been dissolved and become one with the sea. How about it is a state of mind wherein the conscious mind has become one with the subconscious mind . . . and therefore the sea was no longer (Rev.21:1) or the Atlantis was no more depends on which way you look at it.

lulay · 10-06-2004, 09:11 AM

Chili's insight about the 'Resurrection.

Now, there is evidence that the judaic christian story of the Resurrection--ie., BODILY resurrection is NOt unique.....

But, i feel the deeper MEANING, pagan or christian is not of a physical resurrection, but a spiritual one
This--as is myth porperly to be understood--is to be understood not historically (what would be the point of that?), but timelessly, as applying to your potential for same

the alternative is this: a while back i saw this documentary about this musiciona who is travelling the Deep South talking to white people. one religious dude is stood in front of this large figurative painting featuring bodies flying out of graves like superman with arms at side....hehe
i mean puuuleeeze, get real

spin · 10-06-2004, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

It's a state of mind spin, wherein Atlantis has been dissolved and become one with the sea.

Oh, yes, it's a state of mind alright. (Aside: hurry up with that jacket.) Now just relax . . .

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Originally Posted by Chili

How about it is a state of mind wherein the conscious mind has become one with the subconscious mind . . . and therefore the sea was no longer (Rev.21:1) or the Atlantis was no more depends on which way you look at it.

But then you wouldn't know, for as you wouldn't be able to verify it objectively, so you wisely say, "yes, where is that jacket."

spin

WILLOWTREE · 10-07-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

Willow: would the disciples have died for a lie?

Yup

"Would the disciples have died for a lie?" we're discussin it right now.

Glen Morton has a wonderful page on this nonsense:

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The following quotes were lifted from "Icons of Evolution" by Jonathan Wells [2000]:

The authoritative assessments of evolutions intelligencia does not match the fanatical boasting of the rank and file.

Willow, these quotes are lifted out of context and altered. Have you ever read any of those texts? Wells cannot be trust as a source. Shouldn't you go back and read the original texts? You might be in for a shock.

In any case, 10,000 cubic miles of crinoid fossils is...a lot more than a matchbox. So are the trillions of fossils in the Karoo formation in South Africa. Etc. Etc. etc.

Back to BCH, eh?

Vorkosigan

Kosh · 10-07-2004, 05:35 PM

I'm consfused as to why the previous post is apparently from Vork, but listed as WILLOWTREE in the sidebar...

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lulay Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: manchester, England Posts: 916	i share.... Chili's insight about the 'Resurrection. Now, there is evidence that the judaic christian story of the Resurrection--ie., BODILY resurrection is NOt unique..... But, i feel the deeper MEANING, pagan or christian is not of a physical resurrection, but a spiritual one This--as is myth porperly to be understood--is to be understood not historically (what would be the point of that?), but timelessly, as applying to your potential for same the alternative is this: a while back i saw this documentary about this musiciona who is travelling the Deep South talking to white people. one religious dude is stood in front of this large figurative painting featuring bodies flying out of graves like superman with arms at side....hehe i mean puuuleeeze, get real

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