aa5874

I told you already that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are precisely like outhouse.

You present a load of BS when you attempt to answer questions.

Now tell me if any of your "eyewitnesses" claimed Jesus of Nazareth was an old man who was crushed at a gate during a Passover under Augustus in the time of Hillel??

Please, answer the question.

outhouse

it shows not only how well passover events were recorded, that real history can be pulled from these recorded legends.

here we have a old man recorded for being trampled.

in jesus case, he is recorded for standing up against the roman infection in the temple and being murdered for it, placed on a cross for all to see, which just about amounted to the whole jewish community. [atleast those that made the trip that year]

Sheshbazzar

There is nothing at all remarkable about someone getting trampled to death at a religious festival, and little motivation to make up such a thing.
Still happens quite frequently even in the modern world. Thus the report is likely to be accurate.

But the Jebus STORY, the story of the fish god, is a whole different kettle of fish. It is a highly charged and highly dramatized religious propaganda tale, one with a religious motive and a religious agenda.
You may feel that you must swallow the Jebus STORY. But once you start chugging away at it, just where do you stop?
You need to ask yourself at every verse and statement;' DID this really happen? 'DID Jebus really say this?
-or did some unknown latter church writer crib it from other sources and simply stuff it into the mouth of the talking head they were creating?
'DID Jebus really do this ?' and 'DID this really happen just as the text states ? --or did some unknown latter church writer crib it from other sources (usually the OT) and make their Jebus character into a marionette dancing to the tune that they were playing?

I see do not see any need to be swallowing any of it at all.

aa5874

It is highly absurd that Jesus was trampled to death as an old man but was simultaneously crucified as a young son of a Ghost.

In the Myth Fables called Gospels, Jesus was fathered by a Ghost and was crucified at about 30 years under Pilate in the reign of Tiberius.

outhouse

we even know about a roman guard flashing his junk to the jews starting quite the commotion lol



yes and for one reason


people talked about it more


the more people talk who write mythically, the more the story grows.

because a story grows doesnt mean the historical core is absent.


and in this story, its obvious there was a real jewish teacher, who had two different cultures flapping their gums for decades creating a rich mythological herritage

outhouse

well thats just it

I dont swallow it, nor spit.


I know for a fact their is fiction and redaction hiding the original man, because when two cultures create a deity, they cant focus on the man.


its my guess Q and a few other sources focussed on the man and were redacted out, after being cherry picked for content



doubtful


No he didnt



speaking from first century anthropology


I only follow that he was heavily influenced by zealots, and was a poverty stricken traveling teacher as many were known to be, he healed and taught of the coming kingdom of god, spoken in unique parables, he was put on a cross by Pilate, and probably lived in Nazareth for some time before his following of JtB.

beyond that I dont ascribe any historicity

Sheshbazzar

Is it really doubtful that some church hack penned the events, and all of the dialog of Matthew 4 ???

Do tell which verses it is in Matthew 4 that are reporting actual history.

And what the means and methods were that you used to determine that these verses are an actual historical report, and not simply part of an entirely fictional religious narrative invented and composed by an unknown church writer at a far latter date.

I am willing to be very patient, Matthew 4 only has 25 verses. I am willing to allow you to provide your arguments for the literal historical validity of each and every one of of these verses in order.

I have no reason to believe that anything reported in Matthew 4, (or 3 or 5) or in any other book of the NT ever happened in the real world, or that any part of it all is real history.

All of this Jebus whopper of a FISH TALE from the beginning to its end, displays the evidences of having been invented, borrowed, revised, and recomposed into an entirely fictional religious narrative by unknown church writer(s) at a far latter date.
Ἰησοῦς ,<sic> 'Joshua' aka 'Jason' ne 'Jesus' the fish godling 'deliverer' and 'sin bearer' had been floating around in Jewish mythology for generations before being 'born' or rather reborn and finally 'fleshed' out in the NT writings.



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outhouse

wasnt much of a church then.


they were still working out of dining rooms, teaching and healing for dinner scraps, gathering just a few people, hiding from persecuting jews at that time.


I dont think any is.

its possible he was traveling through a deserted area after not eating being a poverty stricken jew, and hallucinated. It was common for fasting, whether he did or not doesnt carry any historicity.

A historical core? I dont know, I kind of doubt it.

Sheshbazzar

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Sheshbazzar

It is also entirely possible, and far more likely that an unknown religious writer made up the entire chapter, including its imaginary Satan and an equally imaginary 'poverty stricken' Jew.

I asked you to 'to provide your arguments for the literal historical validity of each and every one of of these verses in order.'
It was a rather random selection. Could have as well started at Matthew 1:1 or John 1:1.

The fact is that not one single verse of the entire NT has any evidence of being a accurate and factual historical report. Characters, events, scenes, and dialog all alike bear all the evidences of being invented for religious propaganda purposes by much latter religious writers that never actually participated in, nor witnessed any of the fish tale they were repeating or inventing.

There is no rational reason to believe that any of it is based upon any actual person.