Corwin

* suppresses a 'short bus' joke *

So answer the question. These religions that have secularized had the exact same opinion you do. What makes you right when they were wrong?

River

I've heard this rhetoric before but it is absolutely stupid, if G-d forbid countries like say Spain, Germany and Italy go extinct in 100 years because they can't replace their population levels.

River

They weren't entirely right or wrong. The problem with Christianity is for the longest time only the elites were allowed access or given the privelage to read the Bible. The problem with Judaism is that they don't seem to promote their beliefs and appear to be rather ambivalent on certain issues. Eastern Sects of Christianity which had a great deal of "truth" in it were heavily persecuted by the dominant powers.

River

Due to time-coordinated restraints as well as independent academic research beyond this thread, I am personally retiring myself from this thread for an indefinite period of time. I thank you for participating in this thread .......

--River
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Plush Colin

it is true that western families have to few children, but if the west reproduced like people do in say Egypt, our resources would collapse sooner or later. it is the same in the Middle East and North Africa, but people there don't care about the future of their children. go to North Africa, many young people there are unemployed and hardly know how to make ends meet. should that be the future for the world?!

River

no. it is entirely contingent upon the availability of resources.

--River
Peace
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stray bullet

If I started a new religion and converted one person, it'd be growing much faster than Islam.

Islam will not grow for much longer. The world's populations, once thought to be increasing at alarming rates are beginning to decrease. Perhaps you haven't noticed it, but the climate of where most Muslims live isn't going to substain twice their populations. Some countries have fertility rates that far excede what they can handle... these will not increase as simple projections would suggest.

It should also be noted that Christianity is growing, in terms of people converting, far more than Islam. So it is very likely Muslims will have kids that are atheists or Christians.

What preserves Islam right now are the governments in the Middle-East that make conversion or deconversion a crime. If you are lucky enough to not be executed or in jail, you can look forward to harassment, not having a job and being ignored by your family. This culture won't last for long, once deconversion becomes allowed, more people in the Middle-East will come out.

stray bullet

Muhammad has been featured on South Park as well.

Muslim countries will also be secularized, people won't stand for being forced into religions for much longer.

Sindi

Your answers are empty. You just turned aroud without answering to the point.I'm wondering too where are you from and what have you seen and heard...

Ok, so you admit that you haven't heard about Christians suicide bombers.

But it is the Muslims who are presently practising honor killings the most widely in the world.


I don't know very well Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. So if they were Americans and commited such crimes they got punished. In the Muslim world honor killings are supported by their law and majority of Muslims and criminels do not go to prison. It is the victim who is punished.

[QUOTE=Corwin]In general, christians have moved on to other tactics.

Many (such as non-suicide bombings) are just as destructive

Curious , what tactics? But please, be specific and speak about religion and show me how it promotes these tactics. Do not talk about criminels that have nothing to do with Christian teaching and dogmas.

Christianity never promoted such punishments. As you know many Christian countries criminels are not sentenced to death anymore in prisons.
In the contrary Jesus teached to love enemy, forgive and help.
You forget that Quoran promotes violence and people follow it as their constitutional law and order.


Two worldviews that teach adherants two diffrent things. One uses force and violence, promotes killing, torture, diminishes human being and another who promotes love, education, helping others, forgiveness and compassion. May be there are bad Christians, but there are no good Muslims (I mean a Good Muslim who follows the Quoran, but a bad Muslim who choses to be a good person and is not aplying Quoran, so he is not Muslim anymore).

Crucifiction

Islam as a whole I don't have a problem with {Although it's tenants are just as idiotic, if not more, than those of Christianity}; but the extremists I do. They make Christian American fundies look like liberals in comparison.