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Duvduv · 10-07-2012, 06:32 AM

There is no evidence that the person identified as Marcion from the second century actually existed. All there is are claims from church apologists who rely on other writers about this bogeyman.
It's interesting that the extent of evidence for a historical Marcion isn't any more ironclad than evidence for a historical Jesus or Paul, and yet academics accept the claims of the church writers as "gospel truth" (pardon the pun).......

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

My problem again is with the specific form mrqyon and mrqyona. WTF? It just seems odd to me that the same association (mrq) is connected with Marcus and Marcion. So what's the solution? Here is what I am thinking:

a) there never was anyone named Mark or Marcion and they are back formations from 'the cleansed' (notice that borborite is a reactionary terminology).
b) mrqyon is a phrase of some sort - mrq + yon but what makes sense?
c) Mark is the actual person associated with cleansing and there is some confusion with respect to some form I don't know about e.g. rea/reayon (purpose, thought); demah/dimayon (image/imagination)

I don't have a clue.

Sheshbazzar · 10-07-2012, 12:57 PM

It would explain why nothing of this allegedly influential and widespread Marcionite cult has ever been found, or ever will be.

One thing we ought to be certain of by now, is that Church produced writings are notoriously untrustworthy sources.

stephan huller · 10-07-2012, 11:46 PM

From my Samaritan friend:

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It is good to hear from you. In Samaritan Hebrew and Aramaic מרק in Hebrew is a verb = to wash; In Samaritan Aramaic it could be a verb = To pay, to reward or a noun = Reward or a pass. מרוק ימרק [for Ex. 21:36,22:2]; Or Paid - or Cleansed, washed in Liturgy and Midrash. As a noun Pass - for Genesis, 31:21. There is no מרקיון.

The examples Benny gives in Exodus are from the Samaritan Targum (= Aramaic) where mrq substitutes for the Hebrew slm. The example from Gesis is particularly interesting because it is about crossing the river Jordan.

stephan huller · 10-14-2012, 12:14 PM

the root mrq as meaning "anointing" in Jewish Aramaic

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...2DuOGIYF_UZGAA

Duvduv · 10-14-2012, 01:20 PM

Then we can also check out some alternative sources for the name Peter (i.e. Hebrew "peter" meaning first born, or being rooted in the word for mushroom "petriya").

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10-07-2012, 12:57 PM	#22
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	It would explain why nothing of this allegedly influential and widespread Marcionite cult has ever been found, or ever will be. One thing we ought to be certain of by now, is that Church produced writings are notoriously untrustworthy sources.

10-14-2012, 12:14 PM	#24
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	the root mrq as meaning "anointing" in Jewish Aramaic http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...2DuOGIYF_UZGAA

10-14-2012, 01:20 PM	#25
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	Then we can also check out some alternative sources for the name Peter (i.e. Hebrew "peter" meaning first born, or being rooted in the word for mushroom "petriya").

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