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Old 06-25-2004, 10:41 AM   #1
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Default What's so great about Heaven?

Back when I was a Christian, there was of course no universal agreement, but there was a basic undetrstanding that in some way or another we'd bask in god's glory and worship him forever.

How can that appeal to anyone? It would be like a church service that never ends. It sounds more like eternal punishment rather than reward... Ooooohhhhh, and if you're REALLY good, you get to sit EXTRA CLOSE to god. Big deal... =/
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Agreed.

That's why we always daydreamed about what we would like heaven to be. It was never anything like the way the Bible describes it.

See this thread for some discussion on that topic.
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Great thread, thanks
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Back when I was a Christian, there was of course no universal agreement, but there was a basic undetrstanding that in some way or another we'd bask in god's glory and worship him forever.

How can that appeal to anyone? It would be like a church service that never ends. It sounds more like eternal punishment rather than reward... Ooooohhhhh, and if you're REALLY good, you get to sit EXTRA CLOSE to god. Big deal... =/
No pain, no suffering, no hate. And no we won't be doing nothing but worshipping God and playing harps all eternity. The Bible mentions one thing we will do is rule with Christ as Kings. Bible also says we can't imagine all the things God has planned for us.
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The Bible mentions one thing we will do is rule with Christ as Kings.
Not much different from the Mormon scenario that the faithful get to be gods.
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Not much different from the Mormon scenario that the faithful get to be gods.
How does King = God? Its quite a bit different.
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No pain, no suffering, no hate. And no we won't be doing nothing but worshipping God and playing harps all eternity.
But what else will we be doing? This is enough to make one prefer the Islamic Paradise with the sexism removed (the houris transformed into raisins, perhaps).

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The Bible mentions one thing we will do is rule with Christ as Kings. Bible also says we can't imagine all the things God has planned for us.
Where does the Bible state that? Chapter and verse, please.
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How does King = God? Its quite a bit different.
The intent, the intent. Besides the fact that a king is like a god over his subjects, the motive for Christians and Mormons is the same: self-exaltation.
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The intent, the intent. Besides the fact that a king is like a god over his subjects, the motive for Christians and Mormons is the same: self-exaltation.
Humans don't exalt themselves as Kings. And a King is hardly a God over his subjects. A king is still human, just like his subjects. Even in old day monarchies, the king may have have the most authority, but he was certaintly no god. Do you consider the President to be a god? The U.S president has more power than any Monarchy.
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Humans don't exalt themselves as Kings.
Indeed? What is a king if not the most exalted position in society?

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And a King is hardly a God over his subjects. A king is still human, just like his subjects. Even in old day monarchies, the king may have have the most authority, but he was certaintly no god.
The king rules over all aspects of his kingdom, and he can decide who will live and who will die. He is no god in the absolute sense, but to his subjects he is of the nearest status to that.

My main point: how can a Christian criticise a Mormon for following his religion to become a god when the Christian follows his own religion for becoming a king?
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