Originally Posted by FatherMithras

Proving you have absolutely no idea what on earth you're talking about. there is not a single contemporary source for Jesus and what we know about history flatly contradicts the Bible. The only reason they believe jesus may have a historical basis is that the religion sprung up within a hiccup of history from what the followers themselves claim was the start. The stories in the bible about Jesus are not taken as true by any historians except fundamentalist fringe whackos.



LOL. the old, pathetic C. S. Lewis argument, that anyone with half a mind could beat. Here's the answer(s). If he actually believed he was God (which he may or may not have. Since we don't have anything written by him, and the earliest sources about his life are from people who never met him, it's highly questionable) than he's obviously a complete lunatic. If he didn't believe it, and just said it, he's a liar. If he just had a nice message that got corrupted with time and thought he was a prophet, than he was mistaken. You guys need to add it to the list, liar, lord, lunatic or mistaken.


Wrong. Go actually read up buddy. As an avid history buff, I love reading these guys. What they say is generally "There's this group of christians who believe such and such. They say they follow a story about a man named Christ, who they believe was a savior. they don't delve into whether or not he existed, because a fringe cult's beliefs aren't important to them.



The problem is that just because the bible says something, it doesn't make it true. It's laughable you actually consider this valid. The bible was wrong about the Exodus, the invasion of Canaan, and made up events in Bethlehem around Jesus's supposed birth. It also says rabbits chew cud, bats are birds, that there's a firmament above the earth, and all kinds of stupid stuff. The bible is hilariously ahistorical and lacking content of fact. Way to...prove nothing.

Originally Posted by JesusFollower

As you can probably guess FatherMithras, I believe Jesus is who He said He was. I also have been changed by Him in my life. I came to Him in prayer some 7 years ago struggling with drugs and alchohol. I tried many times to quite. He said in the scriptures, "Come to Me all you who are heavy laden and I will give you rest." Well, I needed rest bad! I also was at the end of my rope. I quit for a while and back on again. From that point forward I never touched drugs again (Illegal drugs like I used then) and since then my craving for alcohol has ceased. I took Jesus for His word and He delivered what He said. I have discovered many are unbelievers here now but that wan't prevent me from sharing the hope that I have in him now.

Originally Posted by JesusFollower

I am open certainly to adding other options if you wish. I just thought that those 3 would pretty much cover the possibilities of who Jesus really was and possibly could be.:grin:

Originally Posted by JesusFollower

Your welcome Alethias. It is pleasant talking with you. Boy I must say you have some tough questions. As far as saying "God is light"...the translation means "Truth". God is light and in Him in no darkness (untruth) at all. The scripture says Jesus came into the world as "light" meaning again "truth" but mankind choose and prefered "Darkness" or untruth. Hopefully that made sense to you?

Originally Posted by Mageth

Good for you. Stay on Jesus then. It's preferable to drug and booze addiction.

Me? I was on Jesus off and on for 45 years. Six years ago, I kicked the habit for good.

Originally Posted by Luci

I am happy for you, Jesusfollower.

It is a pity you needed a crutch to lean on, as I do believe human beings are strong enough to overcome anything without an imaginary friend in the sky.

There are numerous people posting here who had to do it all alone, and did it extremely well.

Originally Posted by Alethias

I suspect you don't run into very many people like me in your day-to-day faith walk, do you?

Alethias.

Originally Posted by JesusFollower

I run into many people Alethias. Some downright mad at me for believing as I do. Others who were there once and been let down by a Christian friend or Pastor who was condemning or a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Mageth

There are many other reasons that people lose their belief.



That's not really true. E.g., I was a believer, and I was raised in a Christian home. I "believed" (what I was taught to believe) for as far back as I can remember.

My brother is still a believer, and he can't remember ever not believing.