Huon

You mean the Albigenses ?

Chili

I really do not want to tell you this but there is a point to be made based on "tend my sheep" where the is sheep is fed outside the church, to say that control is issued while the sheep are tended outside the Church and that includes the position of Inquisitor to hand them over to those in charge in effort to protect the intergrety of the nation.

So here then, if Catholicism was the name of the game in Christendom they would be obligated to appoint an Inquisitor since understanding is needed to deal with scrutiny that is beyond the scope of Civil authority, in the same way as Jesus was convicted by the Jews to die despite the fact that Pilate could find no fault with him.

It is a necessary condition that this would be so and then let me add that that the crucifixion is the best thing the Jews ever did and did it often, as they could, and did also predict that the 'final impostor' would be worse than the first (27:64) that was already foreshadowed in Matt. 2:45 where the final state is much worse than the first. It just means that they knew the intricate details if the crucifixion event and the "caution made by Pilate" was in agreement of that danger.

The Inquisitors duty was only to identify those 'final impostors' and first restrain them to 'fall in line' with Orthodoxy or else hand them over to the authorities and let them deal with them.

Then let me add that the manner in which they were sentenced to die was often used as a public message to others that includes the reason why they had to die, and actually wanted to die as martyr for the faith they stood for.

So it was their wish to die during a time when freedom of religion was not their civil right, which did not mean that one was obligated to believe since believe was held to be a gift of God.

Diogenes the Cynic

You're speaking of all those wiped out by Christian imperialism, I take it?

sotto voce

Naturally, the concept of non-retaliation has been seen as a threat, as an 'invasion' of personal liberties. Retaliation is seen in the biblical viewpoint as one of the human instincts that needs to be mortified. The example set by those who have practised peaceful relations over the last two thousand years has certainly influenced local communities, and has probably shamed national states into committing less violence and coercion than would otherwise have occurred.

Huon

Examples : the conquest of Jerusalem by the pacific Christian crusaders.
The destruction of the Albigenses around 1209.
The wars of religion between protestants and catholics during the 17th century.

Diogenes the Cynic

The Ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims By Christian theocrats in the 1990's (remember the charming Christian rape camps).

sotto voce

Examples of non-retaliation for Christian motive are very hard to come by, and are reported on a very minor scale when they are recorded, because people who commit violence control publishing and the media generally, and always have done so. The media have always been controlled by the criminal classes who report their own 'Christian' caricatures as genuinely Christian.

Sheshbazzar

No True™ christian...

The defense against blatant christian atrocities consist of; 'Anytime a christian person, group, or nation does anything bad they are not True™ christians.
Thus, the only True™ christians are the ones that wash their hands every time one of their own does something they do not wish to be associated with.
But it works so very conveniently for them that these not True™ christians do all of their 'dirty work' for them so they can reap the profits and the benefits.





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sotto voce

Quite so. People do not become Christians because they know that they cannot even use intemperate language and stay in the church. Never mind violence.

Diogenes the Cynic

Sounds like you're defining "Christians" down to the Amish.