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MCalavera · 08-31-2011, 11:49 PM

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Is it just me, or do the first two verses of 1 Cor 15 not set up the reader to be told about Paul's gospel?

Yes, it's just you,... hoping too much from the English translation you are using.

Ok, give us your special unique translation, you mighty godly spin.

spin · 08-31-2011, 11:50 PM

Why the fuck have we wasted so much time on "untimely"? Dumb, really dumb.

archibald · 08-31-2011, 11:50 PM

I might add that I was using the Robert Price translation given to me at the start of the thread.

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...apocrypha.html

No, in fact I wasn't, I switched to KJV ('declare') in case Price's 'remind' was too generous.

spin · 08-31-2011, 11:51 PM

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Yes, it's just you,... hoping too much from the English translation you are using.

Ok, give us your special unique translation, you mighty godly spin.

I've already given the literal translation of the word. Some duffers just refuse to read because they don't want to know.

spin · 08-31-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by archibald

I might add that I was using the Robert Price translation given to me at the start of the thread.

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...apocrypha.html

Would you like some applause? :banghead:

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No, in fact I wasn't, I switched to KJV ('declare') in case Price's 'remind' was too generous.

At least "remind" is from the RSV which attempts to give accurate translations when they aren't trying to cow tow to some PC.

archibald · 08-31-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by archibald

I might add that I was using the Robert Price translation given to me at the start of the thread.

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...apocrypha.html

Would you like some applause? :banghead:

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Originally Posted by archibald

No, in fact I wasn't, I switched to KJV ('declare') in case Price's 'remind' was too generous.

At least "remind" is from the RSV which attempts to give accurate translations when they aren't trying to cow tow to some PC.

So, is 'remind' better?

spin · 08-31-2011, 11:57 PM

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Yes, it's just you,... hoping too much from the English translation you are using.

Thank you. Could you elaborate? What is a better translation?

For those who don't have access to the original language, you need to use more than one translation regularly, one I'd suggest is the (N)RSV, but never by itself, if you want to argue from word meanings.

spin · 09-01-2011, 12:01 AM

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Would you like some applause? :banghead:

At least "remind" is from the RSV which attempts to give accurate translations when they aren't trying to cow tow to some PC.

So, is 'remind' better?

The important thing is that Paul puts the preaching of the gospel in the past in 1 Cor 15:1. He's already preached it and now he is keeping the gospel in their minds, for it is their salvation... Well, it is if they hang on to it, which leads into his discourse from v.12 on.

aa5874 · 09-01-2011, 12:09 AM

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.... It doesn't take long before it is no longer possible for his followers who took this path to seperate the man from the myth about the man.

DCH

Well, an early "Paul" destroys your FLAWED claim.

In an epistle to the Corinthians "Paul" was already making FALSE claims about Jesus since the time of King Aretas.

And, even worse for you it was already known or written in SCRIPTURE that Jesus died for the sins of nankind, was buried and was RAISED from the dead on the THIRD day since the time of Paul.

The embellishments of Jesus if he was a man PRECEDED "Paul".

Your beliefs have been smoked by an early "Paul".

1Co 15:3-4

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For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures...

Once it is claimed "Paul" was early then the LATE embellishment theory is NO good.

The very EARLY embellishment of Jesus was ALREADY written and was USED by "Paul" since the time of King Aretas in the epistle to the Corinthians.

2Co 11:32 -

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In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me

archibald · 09-01-2011, 12:16 AM

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So, is 'remind' better?

The important thing is that Paul puts the preaching of the gospel in the past in 1 Cor 15:1. He's already preached it and now he is keeping the gospel in their minds, for it is their salvation... Well, it is if they hang on to it, which leads into his discourse from v.12 on.

Ok, but what is 'his gospel'?

And surely, the phrase here is ''now I would remind you (of it)"

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spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	Why the fuck have we wasted so much time on "untimely"? Dumb, really dumb.

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archibald Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,305	I might add that I was using the Robert Price translation given to me at the start of the thread. http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...apocrypha.html No, in fact I wasn't, I switched to KJV ('declare') in case Price's 'remind' was too generous.

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