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Old 04-07-2004, 10:02 PM   #51
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Wisdom comes from humility. A man who listens before he speaks and sees the possibility he could be wrong has a far better chance of learning the truth than a person who delights simply in airing his opinions. A proud attorney who walks into a courtroom delighted with the intelligence of his strategy, greatly underestimates the opposing attorney's arguments and will surely be humbled. A proud general who goes into battle believing his strategy is superior greatly understimates the strategy of the opposing general and will surely be destroyed. Pride and arrogance lead to foolish actions. Humility leads to wisdom. That's why Jesus said "He who exhalts himself will be humbled and he who humbles himself will be exhalted."

Pride leads to rebellion, humility leads to submission. Those who think they know better than Jesus does will one day be shown just who is in control of the universe. As Jesus said, "Those who fall on the capstone will be broken to peices, but those upon whom it falls will be crushed." You can surely gamble with your soul that you know better than He does, but I guarantee you will be humbled. If you choose to believe your opinions over God's, then your pride rules you. If, however, you have the humility to realize that there is indeed a power higher than you, you will be exhalted. The choice is yours.
Hilarious! It's like a giant fortune cookie fortune.

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Old 04-08-2004, 06:43 AM   #52
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Yes Joyfilled, pride leads to rebellion. When I learned to be proud of who and what I am I rebelled against your God. When I learned that I was not the worthless piece of dung your God wants me to think I am I rebelled against your God. When I learned to think for myself I rebelled against your God. When I at last learned that I am a good, kind, thoughtful, generous, person I rebelled against all your God stands for.

I rebelled against his lies and his bloody dictates. I rebelled against his hatred of his own creation. I rebelled against his villainy, his tyranny, his despotism and his theology of murder, bloodshed and death. I am proud to stand for myself and for all people against the vile, despicable monster you worship.

Join us Joyfilled. Your God has lost. Your Jesus will not return. We stand for the future. The past can not save you. Be Human. Be proud of your humanity.
You seem to get pretty worked up over a deity that doesn't exist...
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This thread started out as prosthyletizing pure and simple.. and though there have been a few good gems from other users... it's mostly been just reactions to the OP without much real discussion per se..

If you all wish to conitnue in that vein then please do so ~Elsewhere~.

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All of your "arguments" rely on your claim that your god exists. Please either provide a proof of this claim or concede.

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Hear, hear!
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BTW (and Krosis, I'll leave after this - don't start sweatin!), thank goodness this thread was originally all about men and what causes their downfall! Women, being completely excluded from such discussion, can consider ourselves exempt, no?
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The downfall of man is man. God cannot fall.
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"If, however, you have the humility to realize that there is indeed a power higher than you, you will be exalted."

If only more people understood this.

And the Single Divine-Child Principle of The First Born.

Even Herod sought to kill, when God Himself had forbidden killing.
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Wisdom comes from humility. A man who listens before he speaks and sees the possibility he could be wrong has a far better chance of learning the truth than a person who delights simply in airing his opinions. A proud attorney who walks into a courtroom delighted with the intelligence of his strategy, greatly underestimates the opposing attorney's arguments and will surely be humbled. A proud general who goes into battle believing his strategy is superior greatly understimates the strategy of the opposing general and will surely be destroyed. Pride and arrogance lead to foolish actions. Humility leads to wisdom. That's why Jesus said "He who exhalts himself will be humbled and he who humbles himself will be exhalted."
Wisdom is not owned by anyone, it is free and open to all. You are right there that most wisdom does indeed come from a certain degree humility, too bad your jesus didn't really have much of either.
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Pride leads to rebellion, humility leads to submission. Those who think they know better than Jesus does will one day be shown just who is in control of the universe. As Jesus said, "Those who fall on the capstone will be broken to peices, but those upon whom it falls will be crushed." You can surely gamble with your soul that you know better than He does, but I guarantee you will be humbled. If you choose to believe your opinions over God's, then your pride rules you. If, however, you have the humility to realize that there is indeed a power higher than you, you will be exhalted. The choice is yours.
Nothing wrong with a certain degree of pride as long as it is kept in check, not gotten out of hand like with the cases of both god and jesus. You are not really speaking of wisdom when it comes to those two, you are really talking about their might. Without this power, they are helplessly shown for the true ignorant cowards they really are. To think you hold such real answers for this life and for perhaps an afterlife, that is pride running you, that is not humility.
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"Your Jesus"? I think you meant to say Our Jesus. Known to be The Son of His Father.

So you have no respect for God either then, I take it, or of any of the other people of His creating?

Are you one of these Zionists who think only of themselves, preying on the Good people of this Earth with your Mars vs Earth takeover?
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I shall try to ignore Light's bewildering posts.

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Yes, Joyfilled. I'm an evil child-rapist monster simply because I don't worship your deity. Long live the EAC and praise Satan! :notworthy
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