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Old 03-15-2008, 09:27 PM   #901
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Right. . . the issue is the gold statue in Daniel 3
No, the issue is that Hatcher lied about what Till's position was, concerning that gold statue.

Which means that your "other side" is a LIAR.

BWAHAHAAA!
Here is a quote from Hatcher on your other "father/son" issue.
Source: Who Was Belshazzar's Daddy?by Farrell Till

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Farrell Till repeatedly contends that the word "son" must be interpreted in a strict sense unless the term "son" is used figuratively (TSR, Vol. 9.4, p. 7; Vol. 10.4, p. 3; Vol. 12.1, pp.5-6). Nevertheless, the critic Brian E. Colless of Massey University has noted that “the son equals grandson or great-grandson equation is one that I often meet in the texts I study for my course on ancient religions." The conservative scholar E. B. Pusey observed that Daniel could not say "grandfather" or "grandson" in Chaldee without coining a new word (E. B. Pusey, Daniel the Prophet, p. 346). In Hebrew the same case exists. For instance, in Genesis 46 the Hebrew word "ben" is used for sons, grandsons and great-grandsons. In the apocryphal Book of Baruch the author mistakenly thought that Belshazzar was Nebuchadnezzar’s immediate son (1:10-14). With the limitations of the Chaldee language I can see how some could have interpreted Daniel 5 this way, but I don’t think Till is right to conclude that everybody in the Greek period thought necessarily that Belshazzar was Nebuchadnezzar’s immediate son. In fact, the book of II Kings was surely at the disposal of the author of Baruch and it tells the very year (37th yr of Jehoiachin’s reign which started in 597 BC) that Nebuchadnezzar’s son Evil-Merodach (also known as Amel-Marduk) took over as the King of Babylon (II Kings 25:27). This was in agreement with the records of history, and this sort of information led many other theologians to conclude that Belshazzar was probably Nebuchadnezzar’s grandson (Matthew Henry’s Commentary, [1712], Vol. 4, p. 1054).
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No, the issue is that Hatcher lied about what Till's position was, concerning that gold statue.

Which means that your "other side" is a LIAR.

BWAHAHAAA!
Here is a quote from Hatcher on your other "father/son" issue.
But unfortunately, we've seen that Hatcher is a liar and not to be trusted. He twisted sources and created strawmen in the discussion about gold; he will do the same here. Right out of the starting gate, Hatcher identifies Colless as a "critic", when in reality he is an apologist.

http://theskepticalreview.net/TSRmag/012more.html

I sent e-mails to some of Hatcher's other sources, but Dr. Brian Colless in New Zealand was the only one who answered. I wrote to ask if he was a biblical inerrantist, and he said that he was. If he holds to the inerrancy view, we shouldn't be surprised that he would resort to his very weak attempt to prove that Darius the Mede and Cyrus the Great were the same person. When one has a religious belief to defend, he won't be bashful about resorting to far-fetched arguments.

Colless is not a critic. Moreover, Colless -- as an inerrantist -- is unqualified to do this research, since he has admitted that he cannot be objective. Hatcher is either lying again, or he was too stupid, uninformed, and lazy to do his own research.

Sound familiar?

Come back when you have an actual historian, not another biased source that ignores the hard questions.
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I heard that Daniel 11:36-45 is not a failed prophecy and there is a change in subject--it is not still referring to Antiochus IV. Supposedly, it cannot be about Antiochus because v 37 says that this king would have no regard for the gods of his fathers, which was not true of Antiochus.
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I heard that Daniel 11:36-45 is not a failed prophecy and there is a change in subject--it is not still referring to Antiochus IV. Supposedly, it cannot be about Antiochus because v 37 says that this king would have no regard for the gods of his fathers, which was not true of Antiochus.
This is not correct. See this post.


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