JoeWallack

JW:
Based on The Criterion of Embarrassment Jesus must have been born long before 0 BC.



Joseph

ErrancyWiki

aa5874

There is NO such year as 0 BC.

After 1 BCE the next year is 1 CE.

aa5874

Based on the written statements in gJohn I have NOW withdrawn my claim that gJohn's Jesus was about 30 years old.

In gJohn, Jesus Christ was the LOGOS, God and the Creator who was from the BEGINNING and the very Jesus Christ MADE everything that was made and WITHOUT him nothing was made.

John 1:1-4 - The Myth character called Jesus Christ, God and the Logos, in gJohn was crucified when Caiaphas was high priest and Pilate was governor but was FROM the beginning.

The Johanine Jesus is INFINITELY old.

But again, Irenaeus errors have been EXPOSED.

If John the apostle did write and teach that Jesus was FROM the beginning and was the LOGOS, Creator and God, he did NOT teach that Jesus was 50 years old when he suffered.

In gJohn, There was NEVER a time when the Johanine Jesus was NOT in existence. The Johanine Jesus was from the beginning.

How old is that!!!!

maryhelena

aa5874

Your editing is most hilarious.

I am now using John 1.1-3 to show that the Johanine Jesus was claimed to be God the Creator of heaven and earth and was ALWAYS in EXISTENCE.

John 1:1-3 - The authors of gMatthew or gLuke made no such claim and gave a timeline for the Birth of the Synoptic type Jesus.

maryhelena

Ah - but its that sojourn on earth that is under discussion - the not yet 50 years that gJohn's JC became flesh and paid a visit to terra firma....:banghead:

aa5874

Well, please show me the date or timeline when the SOJOURN of the Logos began in gJohn?

There is NO date or timeline about the START of the SOJOURN except that the LOGOS was crucified UNDER Pilate when Caiaphas was high priest.

In gMatthew, Jesus the Child of a Holy Ghost was born some time when Herod the Great was King and in gLuke the same Ghost Child was born during the TAXING of Cyrenius.

It is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to use gJohn's story to make any claims about the length of the SOJOURN of the Johanine Logos Jesus before he suffered.

The Johanine story of the SOJOURN of the LOGOS with FLESH on earth essentially begins with his meeting with John the Baptist when some kind of Ghost or Spirit that looked like a Dove landed upon the LOGOS.

Like gMark, gJohn has ZERO about the date or timeline when Jesus, the LOGOS, came on earth.

maryhelena

Not yet 50 years and crucified under Pilate.....that's the gJohn storyline ....

And, actually, a storyline that even gMatthew can run too - no indication within the gMatthew storyline that it's JC was executed when he was about 30 years. Same with gMark.....

It's the gLuke storyline that has a different tale to tell....and really, aa5874 - the birth narrative for the gJohn JC would run backwards - ie not yet 50 years old at crucifixion, the last Josephan dating for Pilate - and that birth date runs as far back as 13 b.c.

It's only gLuke that is telling a new story with a birth narrative at the census of 6 c.e. And even then gLuke is contradicting himself - a birth in 6 c.e. does not make the gLuke JC about 30 years old in the 15th year of Tiberius, 29/30 c.e. That JC is only 23/24 years old.......and being around 30 years old in the 15th year of Tiberius means a birth in 1 b.c.................

aa5874

I asked you for the START of the SOJOURN in gJohn not the end.

To VERIFY that John 8.57 is credible we NEED the DATA from gJohn for the START of the SOJOURN.

Please, Please, Please.

John 8.57 is the matter that is being QUESTIONED so we NEED DATA.

There is NO DATA in gJohn to date the START of the SOJOURN of the Logos, the Word that became FLESH.

I am no LONGER arguing that gJohn's Jesus was about 30 years old since Johanine Jesus was claimed to be ALWAYS in Existence and was God the Creator and that there is NO DATA for when the LOGOS was made flesh.

You must have realized your flawed position by now. There is a massive difference between AGE of the Logos and SOJOURN of the Logos.

The SOJOURN of the LOGOS on EARTH does NOT affect the AGE of the Logos that is claimed to be FROM the BEGINNING and was God the Creator.

In gJohn, we have a THREE passover SOJOURN for the LOGOS and nothing more.

Why are you telling me about gLuke when you don't want me to tell you about the same book?

You must have forgotten what you previously wrote.

maryhelena

Nonsense - do the sums....

Yes, against my better judgement......