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05-11-2007, 03:59 PM | #31 |
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Carrier wrote this before Salm's book was published. I don't know if he has looked at that book.
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It's good to be Augusta
According to a lives of the saints I read some years back, Helena (seventy something year old Augusta of Rome) on a tour of the Holy Land found Nazareth by following the directions of an angel of the lord. Said angel also showed her the one true cross, the spear that pierced Jesus and all manner of sites of interest.
What luck for the local politicians that when the Emperor’s mom shows up demanding to take the Jesus tour of things and places that they knew nothing about– that in the nick-o-time an angel appeared to point them out to her. “Get real” indeed. Nazareth is as much Jesus’ Nazareth as those big chunks of wood they dug up were Jesus’ cross… an angel wouldn’t lie. Would he?:angel: |
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Nevertheless, there is little debate, as far as I know, that the city we now call 'Nazareth', was built on an older settlement. The debate centers on two points: - was that earlier settlement inhabited in the first century - was it Nazareth I am not aware of any archaeologist who denies that the only reason we call it 'nazareth' today, is because the church discovered a well, declared it to be Mary's well, and declared the site to be Nazareth. Is this history denied? |
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I suspect that that is exactly what the gospel authors did. Or rather, that Mark (or one of his sources) did. The others, of course, just followed his lead on that point. |
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If I understand him correctly, he continues to consider it likely that Nazareth existed in the 1st century but doesn't consider it likely that the author of Mark intended the connection with Jesus to represent history but symbolic: Quote:
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I would suggest that we either content ourselves with our perplexion or seek to know as much as the experts know about a particular subdomain of their field, but please, not to cherry pick the results we like. You would have done better to engage Carrier directly in that thread, if you indeed knew that he was wrong on a number of issues. He might have responded if it weren't a raving, insulting piece of work signed by noone. The proof by link here is disappointing. |
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