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jeffevnz · 12-03-2006, 01:04 AM

The most glaring and hard to apologize away are whether anyone has seen God , whether God lies , and how many Gods there are, for that matter. The last is my personal favorite.

The Evil One · 12-03-2006, 04:55 AM

Did God or Satan inspire David to take the census?

The Evil One · 12-03-2006, 05:00 AM

And a few discussed on recent threads:

Did Abraham have one son or two?
Were animals created before or after human beings?
Was Noah in the Ark 40 days or 150 days?
Was Jesus was born when Herod ruled Judea or when it was part of Syria under Quirinius?
Was Jesus crucified on the 14th or the 15th of the month?
Did Jesus' ministry last about three years or about one year?
Did Jesus throw the money lenders out of the temple near the start of his ministry or near the end of it?
What were Jesus' last words?

gregor · 12-03-2006, 05:34 PM

Dan Barker's Easter challenge

Gundulf · 12-03-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

Another contradictory and outrageous story is about the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It appears that the serpent either ate the fruit sometime before, or was created with the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:1-4 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

.... And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die'.

Genesis 5:5, 'And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years and he died.

How did the serpent get the knowledge of good and evil before Adam and Eve?

Please forgive my feeble mind - I don't quite follow this.

Gundulf · 12-03-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffevnz

The most glaring and hard to apologize away are whether anyone has seen God , whether God lies , and how many Gods there are, for that matter. The last is my personal favorite.

I appreciate you pointing out that page - that gives me plenty to dig into. It will keep me busy for a while.

Gullwind · 12-03-2006, 08:00 PM

One of my favorites is the two accounts of Ahaziah, in Kings and Chronicles. One says he is 22 when he becomes king, and the other says he was 42. Newer translations usually go with 22, because it aligns with his father dying at age 40, but as I understand it, the Hebrew is pretty clear on 42 in the one account.

I like it because it is so easily explained as a simple scribal error, but the inerrantists can't allow that. I have been told by YECs that there were actually two Ahaziahs, with the same mother, father and grandfather and who each ruled for a year before being killed by the same guy. (There actually were two Ahaziahs, one from Israel and one from Judah, but the bible makes the distinction between them.)

jeffevnz · 12-04-2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gundulf

I appreciate you pointing out that page - that gives me plenty to dig into. It will keep me busy for a while.

No worries. Some of his interpretations are a little forced, but, for the most part, it's a good tally of things that wouldn't make it past an editor today.

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12-03-2006, 01:04 AM	#11
jeffevnz Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA, USA Posts: 3,370	The most glaring and hard to apologize away are whether anyone has seen God , whether God lies , and how many Gods there are, for that matter. The last is my personal favorite.

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The Evil One Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,561	Did God or Satan inspire David to take the census?

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The Evil One Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,561	And a few discussed on recent threads: Did Abraham have one son or two? Were animals created before or after human beings? Was Noah in the Ark 40 days or 150 days? Was Jesus was born when Herod ruled Judea or when it was part of Syria under Quirinius? Was Jesus crucified on the 14th or the 15th of the month? Did Jesus' ministry last about three years or about one year? Did Jesus throw the money lenders out of the temple near the start of his ministry or near the end of it? What were Jesus' last words?

12-03-2006, 05:34 PM	#14
gregor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 932	Dan Barker's Easter challenge

12-03-2006, 08:00 PM	#17
Gullwind Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,037	One of my favorites is the two accounts of Ahaziah, in Kings and Chronicles. One says he is 22 when he becomes king, and the other says he was 42. Newer translations usually go with 22, because it aligns with his father dying at age 40, but as I understand it, the Hebrew is pretty clear on 42 in the one account. I like it because it is so easily explained as a simple scribal error, but the inerrantists can't allow that. I have been told by YECs that there were actually two Ahaziahs, with the same mother, father and grandfather and who each ruled for a year before being killed by the same guy. (There actually were two Ahaziahs, one from Israel and one from Judah, but the bible makes the distinction between them.)

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