stephan huller

Anyone who promotes the idea that Jews encourage the rape of children or murdering Christian children and using their blood in matzos is generally considered to be promoting anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish propaganda. You are guilty of the former rather than the latter.

A historical point - all Jewish groups accept the authority of the Talmud save for the Kariates (who are designed by this name) and the Falashas. The canonization of the Gemara must have happened in Palestine in the 300’s. Same phenomenon occurred in Babylonia later on.

I personally feel that the Karaites were not innovators, but rather a group of theologians that rejected the new heresy. I suspect the Palestinian Talmud was finished before the Babylonian. because the new dogma originated in Palestine and took time to take hold in Babylonia.

Once the Gemara, whether Palestinian or Babylonian, was canonised and made the HIGHEST authority, it only needed some final editing, but further work on it was by definition unnecessary or even undesirable. It was the turn of the Savora’im to tidy up and then the Ge’onim to expound the new sacred text and ultimate authority.

There are ways to have an intelligent conversation about these issues but to begin with 'Jews encourage the rape of children' is not one of them.

spin

(Appropriately, that's "emetic" with an "s" at the front.)

Your post which is #7 in this current thread loudly proclaims differently. It is a jingoistic perversion of reality. Just to help you, you said:

Modern Judaism is the descendant of Rabbinical Judaism, so you are functionally saying all adherents of modern Judaism are sick bastards who should rot in hell.

As to your challenge to show you "where the Old Testament says it's ok to rape children" I pointed you to Num 31:17-18 in post #18, where I quoted the text,

Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the women children who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

and said,

And the priests even got a cut of the little girls in v.30. So, if we were to take your attitude,

"Their a bunch of sick bastards, may they rot in hell!"

But as I said in that earlier post,

"Perhaps times and mores have changed."

ahdenai

We (meaning me, anyways) are not trying to condone the actions of people who wrote books two thousand years ago. There's really no point in that.

We are instead focussing on the here and now. Focussing on the present leads us to find a lot of sick individuals, who in each of the cases I linked to above, were directly influenced by a particular theology.

As it says somewhere or other, "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."




that sounds a lot like "I have lots of jewish friends"

what you do is seek out specific quotes from two-thousand-year-old books, and use those to impune somebody else's religion. All the while ignoring evil quotes that can be found in the sources of your own religion. The new testament condones slavery, misogyny, and political tyranny. The new testament condones anti-semitism. But you ignore those and focus on the deficits of the jews.

Little Dot

They didn't have much of a choice in the beginning, since the Jews kept to themselves. Even today the Hasidic and Lubavitchers and the such are still a closed off society. If you go against what the rebs teach you are ostricized by the community.

stephan huller

or killed you:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...d=129&letter=E

The point here is that we can have an intelligent discussion about the development of rabbinic authority without invoking sensationalist points about Jews attacking children.

spin

Fixed.

Little Dot

Thanks for the Num. passage but it still doesn't they are to have sex with the females. I would imagine they were used for household duties and things the priest didn't want to do.

Little Dot

Yep, I agree there are wierd cults everywhere. And hopefully people will start to see that Rabbinic Talmudist Judaism is just as wierd. It's like Roman Catholicism, the rabbi's are the popes of their community.

stephan huller

Little D

I don't think you are getting spin's point. The depravity is already in the Torah. This is the central point of Marcionitism (and Islam for that matter). The religious revelation is not yet perfect.

The Jews themselves - strangely - have a similar conception with the twofold revelation at Sinai and Horeb. The Israelites were only capable of apprehending the lower manifestation of the godhead, the lower, fleshly covenant.

You seem to imply that the 'Old Testament' couldn't have sanctioned this sort of behavior.

It most certainly did.

spin

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

Letting go is so hard.

The give away is the killing of all the women, ie those who were of marriageable age, because they will have become polluted vessels. Obviously it wasn't to use the little girls "for household duties and things the priest didn't want to do": they killed all the little boys, who would have been just as suitable. This is all about grubby sex according to modern standards.