Agnostic Theist

That you compare my arguments to that creationist bullshit only betrays your naivity. The creationist is burdened to demonstrate that the world 'pre-flood' followed different scientific laws to the present world, and that time and space were fundamentally different.

And it is arrogant, and hypocritical, of you to assert that time and space are physical concepts, rather than metaphysical abstractions. Metaphysics has at least as much authority as physics in addressing spatio-temporal issues.

Using physics to discuss how time necessarily is, and how time must have been pre-cosmos is just as daft as comparing pre-universe reality with pre-flood earth.

Quetzalcoatl

Cool lets turn this around.

The agnostic theists is burdened to demonstrate that the world 'pre-universe” followed different scientific laws to the present world, and that time and space were fundamentally different.

Now will you answer my question, how is your OP different from the creationist argument.

WTF. Are you saying what I think you are saying.?! Am I also arrogant to assert that the earth is spherical? Your ignorance of Physics is not an argument. When your theology and philosobabble explains quantum gravity let me know.

Your argument is no different that Hovind et al. Creationists also state that their theology and philosophy should have a say in how life developed and came about.


So all those string theorists should pack up their stuff and move into the philosophy departments of their universities? How many pints did you have today?

Your argument is basically I can invent a god that does not conform to the known laws of the universe and language conventions therefore you can’t disprove my god. We already that one cannot “disprove” fiction, So what is your point?

Agnostic Theist

:rolling: :snooze:

Quetzalcoatl

I get it you were trying to be funny. You were trying to parody creationist arguments. Good job mate :thumbs:

Creationist: The flood happened.
Bob: Nah modern geology has disproved this.
Creationists: But you didn’t take into account that God can do what he wants.

Agnostic theists: God exists
Bob: Nah, here is a proof why
Agnostic theists: But you didn’t take into account that god transcends reality.

Draygomb

If anything I would assert TFC doesn't exist.

Look, Either TFC exists or it doesn't.
If it doesn't and knowing that IR is impossible that leaves us with Looping Time.
If Time Loops then all Moments come before after and concurrently with all other moments of the loop...Bother out of Time

Draygomb

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If a Timeline was "Started" from a Loop then The beginning of that Timeline would have always existed and therefore not have been created.

MxM111

Draygomb,

Please answer my last post.:wave:

MxM111

Draygomb

Mx - See posts 45 and 46.

MxM111

That time was not created, but our time could be created. And if that time is part of the god, then it was always there, because god was always there in that time.

aguy2

Considering we are so deeply embedded in the arrow of time, the possible futures from 'now' to when one of oscillation/cycles succeeds in creating that which will eventually create the Universe is totally open.
aguy2