lvdyou

The pompousness of self is claiming difficulty in knowing what is so simply knowable. For example, look at the mountains, did you do that? No. God did it intelligently. There you have your answer why agnosticism is pompous, dumb really. If one postulates the difficulty of proving 2+2=4, when it is so easy, that is pompous, heady, and smothered by the soul's mental gymnastics.

Please be courteous and speak to me in non-acronyms, perhaps then I can respond to your non-acronyms to tell you if you are being even more pompous which I have a good sense you are.

There is no such a thing as Christian agnostics since no Christian is agnostic. That's dumb. To be born again is to relinquish being agnostic.

lvdyou

Yes they do, for they go too far. If not, then they are not fundamentalists.

Truly, all things must agree with God's Word. If they do not, they are certainly not true. For example,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/scientificevidence.htm

lvdyou

Funny!

lvdyou

Truly.

Javaman

That makes no sense and I'm sure you know it. The point is that their accounts were not taken down by them.

They are not and Paul's Christ vision was not documented by him.
Read carefully... they were not documented by the people that did the witnessing.
What evidence! Damnit fellow, you can't shift the burden on this one. You claim something/someone exists. I/We need you to show that it's true. What mistakes do I have in my reasoning? It doesn't matter... I'm not (in this thread) doing any reasoning. I'm simply asking for your evidence and pointing out that there are no first-hand accounts in the NT nor are there contemporary accounts of Yeshua during his lifetime. If you've got evidence, present it.

Javaman

Postulating 'goddidit' is no better than saying 'I don't know' for they are equally unverifiable. At least 'I dont' know' is more honest.
Nice empty words.
The Invisible Pink Unicorn (IPU - Peace Be Unto Her (PBUH)) is who you should really worship as I have just as much evidence for her existance and she's much cooler.
Firstly, you should know that 'born again' is a blatant mistranslation. It's unfortunate you ascribe such significance to it. Secondly, we have our very own Christian Agnostics here on this board and there are some real-life ones as well. They simply believe in the teachings of Christ but admit the unknowableness of their stance... until they meet their maker.

lvdyou

Mark and Luke were too close not to be considered as if first hand accounts, that's the point. Plus there were no disputes of these details either from non-believers or believers. You would have heard of something from someone.

Yes, the oldest preserved parchment is a few years after 100 A.D. which falls within 100 years. That is extraordinary and more validity than anything in antiquity. Paul wrote what he saw which was not a vision, but actually Christ in Person. He did have a vision at Damascus though, but that is not what we are talking about when we speak of Christ in Person in His resurrected body that Paul witnessed.

Paul witnessed and documented. John witnessed and documented. Praise the Lord! These are contemporary accounts of that period. Did you read that carefully? John mended the nets well in his epistles. I would not want to be in your shoes for calling all these men and women liars since Adam who were saved and wrote about it or preserved it verbally.

Your mistakes remain. Therefore, since you remain in so many mistakes, the burden lies on you as the overwhelming evidence is founded on solid ground that you have not been able to overturn, for good reason.

Javaman

So, although you've decided it's up to me to prove your YWHW/Yeshua doesn't exist, you have claimed you can prove he was real. Do you withold the proof because you don't like me? I'm pretty nice in real life, BTW.

Perhaps in another thread, you can prove the IPU doesn't exist and then I'll take a stab at proving the non-existance of your god, deal?

lvdyou

It is already verified. Saying you don't know is hostility when it is so obvious.
Satan says worship fantasy things because the flesh imagines like christian agnostic, funny. Born again should not be legalized: it means new birth, given eternal life, allowing God's Holy Spirit to come into the man's spirit. It means receiving God's life and a promise of resurrection at Judgment Seat. Born again, therefore, is not a mistranslation. It is unfortunate your spirit is dead and hellbound.

There is no such thing as Christian agnostic. That is an aximoron, with the emphasis on moron. Such is not real life, nor authentic life, but a life of delusion and not being born again, for that is not the fruit of the Spirit to present false teachings. Simply declaring such fantasy theories in no way makes them real. I am sorry to hear you think some here believe that.

Believing in Christ is because it is a knowing of this stance, that is why it is believed and substantiatable. Those that say they can not know now, not having a foretaste of heaven even now in resurrection life, only prove they may call upon a christ, but it is not the word of Christ they believe after all.

Javaman

I'm getting tired of typing this... they are not considered first-hand accounts - because they are not.
Argument from Incredulity.
Perhaps you should bring Ch. & Verse to the BC&H forum if you want to defend that. Paul's perversion of the Yeshuan message is a very interesting topic.
Remember, these are all claims. Other claims exist for other religions. Yours is not special. Your 'evidence' so far is the same that Muslims use to justify their beliefs.
When you admit to your mistakes, I'll think about admitting to mine In the meantime, you still have a burden and, if you don't start with the evidence soon, I'm going to assume you want me to go to hell and that makes me sad. :crying: