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Old 01-20-2012, 05:37 AM   #61
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Oops! It is Schochet's son who is competing against Boteach for the role of Britain's chief rabbi.

Boteach fires back at the Schochet clan.
Have to admit that Shmuley has a vague point, why should his fakakte book be banned? The Rabbi is almost as big a schmuck as Shmuley is.

The truth is that however fantastic Yoshke might have been in "real life", the traditional Jewish view is that he was pretty much a scumbag. Personally I can see a neutral position, but if you want to start slobbering over the guy why not just convert?
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Personally I can see a neutral position, but if you want to start slobbering over the guy why not just convert?
Convert to a mainline Christian confession? Same shit, different pile. Why not join the free-form spiritual Left?
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Old 01-20-2012, 01:29 PM   #63
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Personally I can see a neutral position, but if you want to start slobbering over the guy why not just convert?
Convert to a mainline Christian confession? Same shit, different pile. Why not join the free-form spiritual Left?
More serious than that.

One of my brothers once decided he would convert and our parents freaked out.

I recently found out that my mother had a sister who was disowned for marrying a Christian and she never mentioned her.
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More serious than that.
Oh, this is most serious, I assure you. Think of a fusion of Moses, Christ, Spinoza and Marx, all within a holistic ecological framework. It's the New Age Apocalypse with the four great renegade Jews entering Jerusalem on their solar-powered asses, baby.
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They get into a little side spat about medical treatment of gentiles (on Shabbat) where I'm not sure if Hitchens claims are technically correct.

Its not so much Hitchens out debating Shmuley, more like Shmuley coming across as a pompous dickhead.

I was struck at how he mentions his debate with Dawkins several times - which Dawkins apparently never remembered.

Thanks for the vid. I sat through it. Some notes:

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Hitchens is a secular fundamentalist fanatic.

He hates religion, God and hope.

They are afraid of a truth so great they are forced to deny it.

Hitler hated religion.

God is the "Absolute moral authority of right and wrong".

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After dealing with the depravities of the Hebrew Bible
Hitchens says:
"There was no torture of the dead until Jesus"
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Boteach intends to run for Congress:
The values that have dominated the American political landscape for decades is the American obsession with gay marriage and abortion, to the exclusion of nearly all others, which explains why our country is so incredibly religious yet so seemingly decadent. It’s time to expand the values conversation and policy agenda. Let’s begin with really saving the institution of marriage by focusing squarely on the outrageous fifty percent divorce rate. I will promote legislation that will fight marital breakdown by making marital counseling tax-deductible.--"Why I Want to be the Values-Voice in Congress"
Now, there's a Republican a can support!
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A sober critique of Boteach's book.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:30 PM   #68
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But Professor Michael Cook, author of Modern Jews Engage the New Testament, said that he found Rabbi Boteach's "comprehension of Gospel development superficial and narrow" and "his polarising assertions clash with the tone of sober Christian-Jewish dialogue"

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/62...r-jesus-christ
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:27 PM   #69
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Boteach is a character. Failed Messiah has lots of stuff about him...

Hitchens v. Boteach

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Not being there, all I can say is that Hitchens has done the Jewish world one key service for which we are forever in his debt, no matter what he thinks about God – Hitchens showed us all what an incompetent puffed up fraud Shmuley Boteach truly is.
Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's Family Linked To Illegal Arms Dealing, Money Laundering, Conspiracy, Fraud and Assault

Just search for Boteach on the site.

Kind of amusing to see some support here for a guy who is at the minimum, a dickhead.
Why do you insist on quoting an anti-Orthodox website. Don't you smell the turds when you read that stuff. You can't find it backed up anywhere else. 99% of stuff on that site is false (or a kernel of truth is twisted around and backwards) and the other 1% is suspect. This is written by one very unhappy man who left Chabad with a hug axe to grind. You only make yourself look bad when you quote this crap.
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What transpired in this disastrous encounter with Hitchens?
I've already posted a link to FailedMessiah which has a snippet and comments.

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They get into a little side spat about medical treatment of gentiles (on Shabbat) where I'm not sure if Hitchens claims are technically correct.

Its not so much Hitchens out debating Shmuley, more like Shmuley coming across as a pompous dickhead.

I was struck at how he mentions his debate with Dawkins several times - which Dawkins apparently never remembered.
Hitchens and Boteach debated several times and their on again off again relationship was repaired by the end. Boteach eulogized him after his death.

You also imply that he never debated Dawkins, but he did if you take yourself away from that moronic site you like to visit and use Google you will be able to see the clips for yourself. You could even look on Schmuley's site and find it....
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