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Old 07-16-2008, 02:08 PM   #1
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PEOPLE should stop "dwelling crankily" on old wounds, Bishop Anthony Fisher said today as he faced questions about the Catholic Church's handling of Melbourne sisters repeatedly raped by a priest.

Bishop Fisher, who is World Youth Day (WYD) coordinator, today said the latest controversy was detracting from the celebration of WYD.
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Emma Foster committed suicide earlier this year at the age of 26, while her sister Katherine drank heavily before being left disabled when hit by a drunk driver in 1999, ABC's Lateline reported last night.

Cardinal Pell today said the story of Emma Foster was "tragic", and said he apologised to her and her family in 1998.

He said he was "very saddened'' and described the story as "one of the worst things that can happen for a young woman''.

These parts of the article jumped out at me.

OK, let's say hypothetically that it is 100% fact that God exists and we go to Heaven when we die. How can the Bishop be seriously saddened that a woman went home to God's house? Shouldn't he be rejoicing since the girl left this cruel world earlier than others get to? I know if I believed in God and paradise, I would be happy the girl is home and in a perfect existence with no pain.

It seems to me most of these believers have an atheistic outlook on death, doesn't it?
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OK, let's say hypothetically that it is 100% fact that God exists and we go to Heaven when we die. How can the Bishop be seriously saddened that a woman went home to God's house? Shouldn't he be rejoicing since the girl left this cruel world earlier than others get to? I know if I believed in God and paradise, I would be happy the girl is home and in a perfect existence with no pain.

It seems to me most of these believers have an atheistic outlook on death, doesn't it?
I would argue that every person is agnostic to some extent. Otherwise every theist would be a pedantic fundamentalist in fear for their immortal soul. That bishop was just letting his inner-agnostic out by saying that.
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OK, let's say hypothetically that it is 100% fact that God exists and we go to Heaven when we die. How can the Bishop be seriously saddened that a woman went home to God's house? Shouldn't he be rejoicing since the girl left this cruel world earlier than others get to? I know if I believed in God and paradise, I would be happy the girl is home and in a perfect existence with no pain.

It seems to me most of these believers have an atheistic outlook on death, doesn't it?
I would argue that every person is agnostic to some extent. Otherwise every theist would be a pedantic fundamentalist in fear for their immortal soul. That bishop was just letting his inner-agnostic out by saying that.
Usually when I bring up fundamentalists to other Christians they say things like, "LOL, I'm not THAT retarded!"

Quite ironic, isn't it? According to them, fundamentalists take it too seriously and atheists don't take it seriously enough. These Christians seem to be somewhere in between these 2 views.
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That was the (conservative) Murdoch press coverage. Here is some more from the fairfax press:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/bi...0717-3goj.html
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Bishop Fisher’s comments on sex abuse case criticized, cardinal responds

“Happily, I think most of Australia was enjoying delighting in the beauty and goodness of these young people and the hope - the hope for us doing these sorts of things better in the future - as we saw last night, rather than, than dwelling crankily, as a few people are doing, on old wounds.”

I Think the Bishop’s comment was very insensative. I wonder if that is what he felt about the issue or was it someone else’s feeling?

Christianity’s roots stem from Judaism. look what a website on Judaism says;
“Clarity or death.” “Death” is the complete absence of consciousness; reduced consciousness is therefore partial death.
A wise person asks questions. And a wise person looks for answers.
The best defense against abuse is to question what you see. Use your intellect to uncover inconsistencies, irregularities and rationalizations.
Preaching is giving over information with fire and brimstone, without paying attention to what your audience is feeling. A preacher instructs: “I’m the authority…I’ll straighten you out… Accept what I say… Don’t question… Park your mind… Listen to me… Obey me!”
Preaching is being a demigod, getting people excited and overwhelmed and moving them with an emotional sway. That’s not teaching. That’s brainwashing. And that is totally not the Jewish”
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OK, let's say hypothetically that it is 100% fact that God exists and we go to Heaven when we die. How can the Bishop be seriously saddened that a woman went home to God's house?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Christian perspective that suicides will not go to heaven (Corinthians, I believe). So, the girls were indeed screwed twice. Shameful.
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