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Old 07-21-2008, 06:50 PM   #21
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Who?
the 'who' would be stalin. Guess it wasn't obvoius!!
But your puerile argument is that it is atheism wot did it.
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I think that trying to blame mass starvation like this on "atheism" is grasping at straws.
They believe in an invisible man in the sky. Grasping at straws is what they do best.
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While I would certainly say that the communists regimes that precipitated these disasters were at fault, I think that trying to blame mass starvation like this on "atheism" is grasping at straws.
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If there were only 100,000 people that died because of starvation before stalin, and 5 million died because of starvation during stalin, then its quite obvious who we can blame that on. (the numbers were an example)
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the 'who' would be stalin. Guess it wasn't obvoius!!
He probably learned economics, agriculture, and ethics in seminary.
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the 'who' would be stalin. Guess it wasn't obvoius!!
He probably learned economics, agriculture, and ethics in seminary.
im sorry, was this a rebuttal? was there a point here? i noticed you have not supplied any coherent visable evidence that I am wrong.
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He probably learned economics, agriculture, and ethics in seminary.
im sorry, was this a rebuttal? was there a point here? i noticed you have not supplied any coherent visable evidence that I am wrong.
I'm still waiting for you to provide the facts that Stalin was an atheist,.

I know that's what your preacher told you.

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im sorry, was this a rebuttal? was there a point here? i noticed you have not supplied any coherent visable evidence that I am wrong.

I'm sorry. Have you made a coherent argument somewhere? All I see is non sequitor and heaps of straw.
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im sorry, was this a rebuttal? was there a point here? i noticed you have not supplied any coherent visable evidence that I am wrong.

I'm sorry. Have you made a coherent argument somewhere? All I see is non sequitor and heaps of straw.
Post #16 had a pretty good point. I suggest responding to it with some sort of logical rebuttal. Thanks. Furthermore if you are going to claim it is a logical fallacy I suggest you provide evidence to back up your claim..
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Granting that Stalin was responsible for most of the deaths, what does that have to do with atheism (or am I wrong about whats being implied)? Wouldn't the Stalinist branch of communism be to blame? Sounds quite a bit like Guilt by Association.
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Granting that Stalin was responsible for most of the deaths, what does that have to do with atheism (or am I wrong about whats being implied)? Wouldn't the Stalinist branch of communism be to blame? Sounds quite a bit like Guilt by Association.
It most certainly is "guilt by association," but when has that ever stopped people from trying to implicitly claim that "Atheist = Stalinist?"
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