snex

dust is not the only part of nature.

biomed0101

All that we do is based on the laws of nature, even if we "try to control" nature. If we attempt to alter the weather, then we simply work within the laws of nature, we ourselves are part of nature and we cannot break the rules. All we do, everything we see, we hear, we experience is nature. Nature is the highest power we know. Nature had no beginning, it will have no end. It will state the laws and we can't do otherwise than obey them.

snex

interesting point. doesnt the fact that we can disobey god but not nature mean that nature has more power over us than god does?

Salieri

Then you're saying you don't believe in secular humanis? if so, then why do you promote it?

biomed0101

In my own opinion, yes. I don't know what other people may think, but I am fully convinced that nature has the highest authority above any deity.

JCS

Beyond your bald assertion, in what way?

Since only men express what they believe to be the opinions of their various gods, well that doesn't leave much wiggle room does it.

Does not compute. Might as well say opinions are like assholes everybody has one but no one wants to get close to it. Demonstrate your opinion on opinions as this has become yet another brick in the wall. Now I see why you do it, talking nonsense is fun in a nonsensical fashion.

snex

where did you get the idea that i promote secular humanism? even if i did believe in secular humanism, what would that matter? secular humanism is a belief system, atheism is not.

even so, what does secular humanism being a belief system have to do with anything?

Salieri

And who do you think created nature? Sorry, but men destroy nature everyday by cutting down trees, bombing places until they become wastelands, polluting rivers, etc. But what man cannot destroy is the life form behind nature because God created life. The cell is an extraordinarily intricate DESIGN that has all the characteristics of its potential life already in it! Again, something inferior can not create something superior because the design orinigated in the mind of its creator. The lengths you guys go to to try to prove that God does not exist defies all logic. Even though men can still not explain how they were created even after thousands (sorry, scientists say millions which makes men look even dumber), they will look for ANYTHING, ANYTHING, but God. That's a desperate mind. And you're still looking today. Sorry but you will not find your creator among the created because it has to be superior than the created.

snex

men cut down trees and pollute rivers, but do you suggest that they violate the laws of nature to do so? the point was that man can choose to disobey god, but man cannot choose to disobey the laws of nature.

and who do i think created nature? i have no reason to believe that nature was in fact created. if something did create nature (and it must be greater than nature), my next question would be "who created the creator of nature?"

biomed0101

Nature wasn't created, nor will it be destroyed.