aa5874

Firstly, you have failed to show that the phrase "the Lord's brother" was used consistently.

Secondly, the phrase "the Lord's brother" in Galatians 1.19 is not even in 1 Corinthians 9.5, it is the plural of brother, that is "the brothers of the Lord" or "brethren of the Lord".

In the Pauline Epistles only James is called the Lord's brother, no other character, not even the Pauline writers.

I was hoping that you could point out those passages in the Epistles where it is clear that the phrase "the Lord's brother" denoted some sort of cult.


Which earlier writing mentioned James but did NOT say that James was the Lord's brother?

gurugeorge

Uh, right - so do you think they were siblings of Jesus?

aa5874

1 Corinthians 9.5 is not about siblings at all.

The use of the phrase "brothers of the Lord" or "brethren of the Lord" in 1 Corinthians 9.5 cannot resolve Galatians 1.19.

In a group setting where people are referred to as brothers or brethren, it is likely or possible that there will be actual siblings within that group.

The Church writers and the authors of the NT did claim or imply that Jesus had a sibling called James. And those claims are compatible with Galatians 1.19.

Now, if you can produce an earlier source of antiquity that mentioned James was not a sibling of Jesus, then perhaps you will have a point but so far you have failed to provide any earlier source.

gurugeorge

Yes, so much is obvious. So why is the term for siblings being used in that context?

??? What the hell are you talking about? So is the Corinthians reference about siblings or isn't it about siblings? You are twisting yourself into knots!

In Corinthians it's plain as the nose on your face that the term "brothers/sisters" is being used in a cultic sense, to denote some kind of status or membership in a cult. People in cults (e.g. monks and nuns) sometimes do that, it's no big deal: they feel emotionally close to each other, or they feel united in being "children" of the cult deity, so sometimes familial terms are used.

Do you agree with that or not?

If so, then absent any reason, in "Paul", to reckon to the contrary, there's no reason to believe it's being used, in "Paul", in any other than a cultic sense, in reference to James.

aa5874

Please, tell me what is the Greek word for "brethren" or "brothers" when it is does NOT denote siblings.?

Please tell me what is the Greek word for "brethren or "brothers" when it DOES denote siblings?

Is it not the same word?

Therefore every time we see the Greek word for "brethren or "brothers" the context of the very passage must be taken into consideration. You cannot impose 1 Corinthians 9.5 onto Galatians 1.19.

In 1 Corinthians 9, the Pauline writer is addressing a group or converts, including men and women, while in Galatians 1.19, the Pauline writer claimed he met James the Lord's brother.

Please look at 1 Corinthians 9.5, the context is vitally important. The Pauline writer is addressing a group, the Corinthians.

1Co 9:5 - It is patently obvious, based on the context of 1 Corinthians 9, that "bethren" has nothing whatsoever to do with siblings.


I have already told you that 1 Corinthians 9.5 has nothing whatsoever to do with siblings.

It is you who have tied yourself in a knot. You are implying that no member of your supposed cult can have a sibling or that the Pauline writer, because of 1 Corinthians 9.5, cannot claim that James, a member of a cult, had a sibling who was the LEADER of the very CULT.

If James was the BROTHER of the LEADER of the CULT who was called the Lord,' what Greek phrase would the Pauline writer have used in Galatians 1.19?

The same Greek phrase.

The Church did propagate that James was the the brother of a Messiah, or leader of a tribe, who was called the Lord.

And again, what earlier writing claimed James was NOT the brother of the leader of the cult who was called the Lord?

dog-on

Eureka!!! James was a ghost!