Sheshbazzar

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Unes

I do believe in Creation, but I do reject the Genesis Story of Creation. That is why I am trying to prove Jesus’ Divinity is a Hoax.
Dear Sheshbazzar,
As far as the story goes, those 500 people saw Jesus, here on this Earth, and most of them they did not know him, but the presentation was so powerful which it left no doubt for them. So alleging that Jesus are seen every day and some people does not recognize him, it is not like the same presentation that those 500 people had!

Since Jesus is in charge of the affairs of this Universe, then he could produce such presentation everyday. Why we have to take the testimony of some questionable characters. Jesus did make that presentation at least once before, then there is no excuse that he stop doing it everyday, in big stadiums, in the cities all over the world. If our theology is correct, and Jesus loves all the people the way that Church describes he does, then why should we have to play the guessing game until the Battle of the Armageddon?

GakuseiDon, sun is 149 million km away.
I don’t know where heaven is, but according to those verses in John Gospel, Jesus made the round trip in few days.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

Clivedurdle

In Britain, it takes four days to transfer money electronically from one bank account to another. The logical explanation for this is that the banks have a server two light days away at the edge of the solar system and therefore we have explored that far out. We can then be reasonably certain heaven is more than two light days away, and the Christ probably has access to faster than light travel.

Unless this is another plot fault or women are not allowed to touch the christ but men are....

Sheshbazzar

Unes, you need to read the text more carefully, it SAYS 500 "BRETHREN" The term "brethren" is used throughout the NT to identify only that group of individuals that believed in Him.
Anyone that did not believe in Him, ipso facto, was not, and could not be rightly accounted as a member of the "BRETHREN".
On what textual basis are you staking this claim?
Agreed
Actually, there is an excuse, one that is explained throughout the Bible, from Genesis forward, this being, the development in individuals, of that attribute, or quality called "faith"
Now faith, (that is faith indeed), -"believes all things"-, and in Faith, (that IS Faith indeed), The Testimony, and the characters of the Fathers is unquestioned, amongst them that live within the Faith.
All so abiding, neither have need, nor require, nor desire, any other signs nor evidence above that hope which they steadfastly hold.
Only the unbelieving, the doubtful, and the unfaithful, ask for proof by dramatic appearances, and signs, yet how quickly, even within the hour they return to their doubts, disputations, and unbelief.
If appearances were made, and signs and miracles were performed daily, then you might believe, because your eyes were seeing, but Faith would not be found;

A dog with a rope around his neck, snarling and snapping, at being dragged down the road behind his master;
Or a dog cheerfully trotting at his masters heels, with which do you think the Master will be more pleased?

Loose the rope from that snapping and snarling dog, and he will run away, and will not obey, nor return at the masters call.
The good dog, is ever attendant, with his ears perked, that when he hears his masters voice, he jumps for joy, and is ready, if his master even so much as points a finger, he knows his will, and leaps to obey,
Which dog is it then, that is faithful?
Whose "our" theology, are you referring to? Whose theology are you claiming? And if you don't like it, why then are you claiming it?

Perhaps you need to examine your theology, as it sounds like it is broken, and in need of some serious repairs.

Casper

That's nothing. I have family members who speak to God Himself regularly about the stock market, major purchases, vacations, classes, you name it.

I first assumed they meant in prayer and thought nothing of it, but then they told me how he likes the La-Z-boy chair, and ice tea without sugar. They were completely serious.

Unes

Dear Clivedurdle,
That is a nice point! But the passage clearly does not support this view: “for I have not yet ascended to my Father”, Here the emphasis is on ASCENSION to Father.

Sheshbazzar,
This is very IMPORTANT observation which I missed it totally, I thank you for pointing out this crucial point.

This point brings up another powerful reason for the falsehood of these texts!!! According to the experts in Bible, Jesus ascended to heaven about forty days after his resurrection. And since then, the Christians are waiting for his SECOND coming. So, first of all, since the SECOND COMING has not happened yet, then this totally nullifies all your earlier claims: “I have met several individuals who state that Jesus had came and talked with them.“ So their testimonies must be False!

The second point; when Jesus resurrected and ascended to Heaven, at that point there were only ELEVEN SUPER APOSTLES, and maybe few other people who might believe in Jesus’ Heroic Act. The rest of the people were those Jews who were urging Pontius Pilate, the governor, “Crucify him!”. So at the point of Jesus ascension to Heaven, there was not 500 BROTHERN to witness that Jesus performance! So it is reasonable to assume those people were strangers. And at that point the community of Jesus followers might not yet been formed!

According to the Bible experts, after Jesus crucifixion, Apostle Peter became so confused and disoriented that he went to desert to figure out his Faith. So at the time of presumable Jesus ascension to Heaven, Apostle Peter might not had been even in Jerusalem! So all the interaction between Peter and the Resurrected Jesus which the Gospels are talking about are another false presentation, which does not jive with the other material of the Christianity!

Please refer to the previous answer.

Dear Sheshbazzar,
if word of God is here to enlighten people, then they should do so without any AMBIGUITY.

Dear Sheshbazzar,
The Abrahamic Theologies are part of our Humanity cultures, which belong to ALL of us and in practice they are affecting every one of us. So we as members of the human race have every right to be concern about what these theologies are teaching to their followers. These doctrines are not so benign and passive education, which they mind their own business, they do reach out and touch the whole communities of nations.

The affairs of the Faith are too important that we take them so lightly and allow them to be manipulated without an exhaustive examination. There have been so many abuses of the Faith. Our religions are supposed to remedy our human’s miseries, not add to them. The clash of the religions are serious matter, which are affecting everybody, and we have seen the root causes of the “war on terror”. So it is our vital interest to resolve these problems. The fanatics cannot be left alone, since their activities are affecting everybody.

May God Bless us all,
Unes

Chili

My friend Sheshbazzar, how nice it is to see your post. I just wanted to say hello and remind you that he takes our hand and leads us to the promised land while all we have to do is reach out.

Coleslaw

No, I wouldn't recognize him if I saw him today, and no I can't identify him on sight, which makes it entirely possible that I could mistake some complete stranger for Jesus, now that I think about it.

Sheshbazzar

Sadly, your unbelief and your doubts are your blinders. Reading only on the surface, and superficially, you lack any understanding of, or comprehension of the difference between those things that appear be so, but are not, and those things that do not (yet) appear, yet are.
You are able only supply such terms, ideas, and "theology" as you are familiar and conversant with, drinking from that polluted well where all goats now drink, from your mouth comes forth polluted words.

Bypassing such other matters as you are presently blind to, your allegations are faulty.
According to the accounts, He had preached unto the multitudes, and there were many who believed on Him, that He was The Messiah, the One prophesied of old, appointed to deliver Israel.
And He lived, and as He walked among them, He blessed them, and called them to be His brethren; [Matt. 12:49-50, 23:8, 25:40, 28:10, Luke 8:21]
Thus your argument is also wrong on all counts.

No, Unes, Wrong again, NOT "According to Bible experts", but only according to "traditions" and "stories" that are NOT to be found within, nor confirmed by the Bible.
If you hold otherwise, provide us with those Bible passages that tell where;

Wrong again, Unes, The written Word is that which is set to separate the wheat from the chaff, His sheep from the goats, and to bind the tares into bundles for the day of burning.
"What IS written in The Law? And HOW readest THOU?
For it IS written, (for all mankind) "You shall surely put a difference between the sacred and the profane", "and between the clean and the unclean". All are warned.
IF any regard His words superficially, they shall suffer the consequences.

Yes Unes, there are "Theologies", that of course is the problem, Truely, no lie can exist, except there first be a truth for it to oppose.

When men find the truth, and hold it fast, lies lose their power.

With One Father, One Faith, One Salvation, there is but One "Theology", however then, -"theology"- is not at all the proper term.
But condescending, as onto one lacking in knowledge, Multiple "theologies" are present evidence of the existence of false, lying, and misleading "theologies".
Again, Unes, Your "theology' or idea of what "theology" is, IS broken down, and is seriously in need of repair or replacement.

Sheshbazzar

Shalom v' Khsed, Chili; Peace and Grace, Chili.