Fiach

Answer is OTHER.

It may be the hardest to accomplish but the best thing for catholics would be to educated them in a series of scholarly refutation of the idiotic Genesis stories, the terrible immorality of the many books of the O.T. where and evil God commands the murder of women, children, babies and the taking of youg virgin girls as sex slaves. They should be taught that Original Sin is pure rubbish and a weird sting operation designed to make Adam sin. Discuss the injustice of inherited guilt. Discuss the absurd notion that God having his half -human, half-god son born of a human girl, only to be killed and buried, so that God can show off by resurrecting him.


It is all so unnecessary and psychotic. They need to fact that all of the guilt, oppression, irrationality of Christianity/Catholicism is damaging to the brain. The more the mind stays in the Universe of Magical Thinking the harder its is to returen to the Matter-energy Universe. Eventually many "flip out" and are stranded in the magic universe. We call that psychosis. Relgion (Islam and Christianity) are major predictive factors for mental illness.

Fiach

Amos

Good point but if you take a close look at this it excludes at least all Traditional Catholics.

Amie

Hello heathen
I disagree since I think most Christians here and certainly most catholics believe in hell so the "Of course you don't" response to my "I dont believe in hell" statement really makes no sense. sorry to burst your little atheistic bubble...
you sure about that? how many texts are you familiar with?

Amie

Hi Rhea
yeah I think I am in the minority on this particular belief of mine...
I agree that the cover up is very disturbing. I would have preffered for them to take responsibility for their actions instead of hiding it. Its done far more harm than good by trying to keep it concealed.
I had a friend once tell me that the reason they feel the churches are built the way they are is to make people feel small and insignificant, would you agree with that?
I think birth control is a personal issue and I would feel happy if the church took no stand on it...
do you think deprivation may lead to obsession?
What about the good of the missionaries, the good of all of the saints? I can certainly see how Gemma Therese holds both St. Gemma and St. Therese in high esteem, they are beautiful assets to the church...
I am especially fond of Padre Pio myself, he gave his life to God and helping people...

openeyes

Amie said:I don't think that's what the Catholic Church preaches. Seems to me I remember sermons many years ago that preached against this very thing. I do find it is interesting that even the Catholics on this thread have quite a variance of views concerning "their" church.

Amie also said:
How would we benefit? Do you see our lives lacking because we don't believe as you do? You have to remember, many of us were raised Catholic or in some other religion, and certainly here in the US, it would be easier to "belong" on a social level. But once it dawns on us that it is so much nonsense, we can't make ourselves "follow" and instead go on leading happy, productive lives with our brains free from the contortions it would have to make to continue to follow the religion of our upbringing (or any of the others the world has to offer.)

Would our converting just make you feel better about your views? What if we converted but our "personal perceptions and subjective interpretations" didn't match yours anyway? Not a problem, you may say, but what if we were out trying to make laws based on our "personal perceptions ...." with which you didn't agree? (For example, let's say birth control pills should be outlawed because they may be causing "mini" abortions.)

Of course if people didn't do this, we'd not have such a beef about organized religion like Catholicism, but we all know shaky religious "interpretation" influences our law-making bodies daily.

Rhea

Amie, I think you missed the point of the sentence. He did not mention hell, just "icky parts" which are different for different Christians. Your icky part happens to be hell. Other christians, "typically", toss something different.

So his bubble remains intact.

Amie, you used to be so kind & unassuming. What happened? Why did you start to adopt a Radorth-style insulting spree? It's sooo unbecoming. It doesn't look good on you. Just a kind tip from someone who used to enjoy your posts much more often than I currently do.

hezekiah jones

Suspected by the Vatican of being a psychotic, self-flagellating fraudster, Padre Pio purportedly porked perfumed maidens in the (confessional) box.
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Yellum Notnef

You nailed it Rhea!
I was going to say the same thing yesterday,but figured I should just keep my mouth shut (for once).

Infinity Lover

And I find it ironic you can make that "tipical of Christians" statement, while most probably swapping from one perspective to it's oposite (a belief in hell is to be critisized/ not believing in hell is to be critisized) at your convenience yourself at the same time.

My guess is you'll complain if they do accept, and you'll complain if they don't accept it. My guess is "I can't complain" would be a complaint coming from you.

Rhea

Is that so odd, when you think about it? Accepting or not accepting generates complaints on completely different topics.

Accepting everything generates a complaint about cruelty.
Not accepting certain parts generates a complaint about hypocrisy.

What's wrong with that? Are the arguments invalid because they address different problems? Isn't that the bible's fault and not ours?

I guess I don't understand why it is bad to have a problem with more than one aspect of Christianity. Doesn't that only serve to make our/my position less kooky and closer to reasonable? Doesn't it indicate that serious contemplation has occurred in advance and we're not just discarding the idea without thought?