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Nice Squirrel · 05-16-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by alancooney

Plagerism= Any excuse to get out of a debate. Where do you think I learn this stuff? I have to get my information from somewhere. This is just subject matter for a debate.

We expect that you cite your source or post your own ideas.

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Easy way out, come on, are you saying the whole of Genesis is wrong?

It is wrong and correct. It is a collection of metaphor and mythology. Some of it makes a lot of symbolic sense (knowledge of good and evil (aka judging the world) is a form of not accepting life as it is... Zen message?)

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Every time they said day, they ment century? Mabe the coppied every error wrong?

I cannot ask "them" what "they" mean. I can only speculate what the mythological symbols are.

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Well they certainlly wern't millions of years long were they?

The criteria was that the days were only 24 hours. There is evidence that this wasn't the case.

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Yes, but one cannot go on without the other for millions of years can they?

Did they (the symbiotic plants and animals)? The answer is no but it is also irrelevant to the 24 hour day argument.

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Sidenote: no need to get offended!

I'm not offended I just question your intent when posts are cut and pasted from other sites without citations. (and not even ones with good arguments.)

What is the fourth commandment and how does it support the 24-hour day?

Alan the Atheist · 05-16-2005, 08:58 AM

I think its safe to say I have lost this debate outright. I thought my argument was sound.

Cheers
Alan

RBH · 05-16-2005, 09:50 AM

This appears to be BC&H, so off it goes.

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_Naturalist_ · 05-16-2005, 10:10 AM

I think many of the Christians pick and choose from the Bible based on, for example, what is acceptable today, or what is so obviously untrue that they can't believe it.

Dryhad · 05-16-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alancooney

Easy way out, come on, are you saying the whole of Genesis is wrong? Every time they said day, they ment century? Mabe the coppied every error wrong?

Ahem

This thread is stupid. Are you trying to act like a creationist, because they're the only people I know who believe that to be a Christian one must accept the Bible as 100% literal indisputable fact. Face facts anyway, without a time machine of some sort you can't prove or disprove for certain anything that happened in the past. Especially when supernatural forces are allegedly involved. That's what makes the Bible so very annoying.

SoonersRock20 · 05-17-2005, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Oolon Colluphid

It's not meant to be taken literally. It refers to all manufacturers of dairy products.

There, done

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Blessed are the cheesemakers??

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judge · 05-17-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alancooney

The bible doesn't allow theistic evolution. Heres my proof:

What about the day in hebrews chapt 4?

Wallener · 05-17-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by alancooney

I am saying that a literal interpritation is the only intelligent reading of the text.

Since the people who actually wrote and preserved the stuff have been reading it allegorically all along, I'm afraid your assumption is incorrect.

rexrex4 · 05-23-2005, 03:27 PM

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Since the people who actually wrote and preserved the stuff have been reading it allegorically all along, I'm afraid your assumption is incorrect.

You keep posting this over and over again. Of course some of it is interpreted allegorically. But you keep talking as if it all is.
The following clearly says this is false.
Further if someone does take most of the bible to be allegory or just stories then I don't think they should comment on the bible here in these forums unless they undertake to educate us openly. (I am not referring to atheist or skeptic who is trying to disprove a bible story or position or point out the moral failing of the bible, I am referring to someone who takes the bible seriously to enough to spell god as G-D and yet in debate will refer to the bible as stories or allegory as in this case, or even to say they will stipulate there is no god).
Why? Very simple; if you treat most of the bible as stories or allegory then no one can possibly know where you are coming from.
You will just keep popping in with a twist that only someone who has your 'special knowledge' can use.

http://www.aish.com/literacy/concep...g_the_Torah.asp
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Originally Posted by Rabbi Kaplan's Handbook of Jewish Thought.
Non-Literal Meaning

The Torah must be studied as a whole, since one ambiguous passage may be clarified by another. One must be careful to take an overall view, and not interpret any scripture out of context.

There are times when the Torah speaks in allegory and metaphor. There are four conditions under which there is a tradition that the Torah is not to be taken according to its literal meaning:

Where the plain meaning is rejected by common experience.
Where it is repudiated by obvious logic.
Where it is contradicted by obvious scripture.
Where it is opposed by clear Talmudic tradition.
Where none of these conditions hold, the scripture must be taken literally, and not rejected on the basis of mere prejudice. In such a case, even when a passage is also interpreted allegorically, the literal meaning must still be retained.

The Torah always speaks in the language of man. God worded the Torah so that it would be accessible to all people for all times.

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05-16-2005, 08:58 AM	#12
Alan the Atheist Regular Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 356	I think its safe to say I have lost this debate outright. I thought my argument was sound. Cheers Alan

05-16-2005, 09:50 AM	#13
RBH Contributor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 15,407	This appears to be BC&H, so off it goes. RBH E/C Moderator

05-16-2005, 10:10 AM	#14
_Naturalist_ Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,914	I think many of the Christians pick and choose from the Bible based on, for example, what is acceptable today, or what is so obviously untrue that they can't believe it.

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