Duvduv

You are being extremely unyielding again. Didn't you follow my posting? I was pointing out the differences in the idea of the Great Commission and the expressions "according to the scriptures" in relation to the Creeds and to the texts, which as far as you are concerned have their dating inscribed in stone through the burning bush.

aa5874

Please, avoid the rhetoric!!! Texts of antiquity are NOT dated by "the burning bush" but by Paleography or scientific means.

You seem to date your TEXTS by imagination or perhaps by Eusebius.

Duvduv

In case you didn't know it, paleography is not an exact science. And I do not follow loyally the traditional dating of the heresiologist stories. I look at things in context.
I take seriously what is said to have happened when and examine it IN CONTEXT.
That is what I was doing when comparing the use of the term "according to the scriptures" and the emergence of the "Great Commission" and its meaning in overall context with the various NT texts and Creeds.

aa5874

Please name an EXACT Science??? Now, you cannot be serious if you want me accept what you say when you know that NOT even Science is Exact.

Your approach is NOT even Scientific it is mere speculation and by definition SPECULATION has NOTHING whatsoever to with actual evidence or any source that may be exact.

Duvduv

This CANNOT be done scientifically because nothing can be reproduced in a laboratory. It can only work on the basis of analysis of existing data, observation, inference and speculation which is not the same as quantifiable predictions and measurements.

Here is a definition of an exact science from wikipedia:
An exact science is any field of science capable of accurate quantitative expression or precise predictions and rigorous methods of testing hypotheses, especially reproducible experiments involving quantifiable predictions and measurements. Physics and Chemistry can be considered as exact sciences in this sense.

Duvduv

AA, do you think that this verse from GJohn is before the Constantinople Creed?? I don't.

27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing." 28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." 30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.

Even the Epistle of John shows signs of being a montage between a regular monotheistic sermon with additions relating to the Christ.

aa5874

When was the Creed called the Constantinople Creed really written??? You must NOT speculate.

You ought to deal with the DATED evidence.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

Duvduv

REALLY written?? Did the writer scan it in with a record on his computer log or directory information??

aa5874

If you are NOT prepared to state when the Constantinople Creed was really written then what is the point of your question??? You gave me the impression that you have the Records Scanned in your imagination.

Duvduv

It could have been in 381, or 361 or 391 or 411....wat's the difference?