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You know, the story might have had some small chance of being somewhat believable, if these writers hadn't gotten so carried away in "spreading it on so thick" in their production. But, nope, the Christian writers simply couldn't leave a good story alone with Lazarus and Jesus rising from the dead, but in their over enthusiasm they thought it would be really cool and even more impressive if a lot of other graves also opened up, a bunch of zombies began wandering around all over Jerusalem. And of course then we get more stories of the disciples going out and raising up dead people here there and everywhere, as though doing so were as common as taking a piss. And yes, IT IS a lack of evidence, A TOTAL lack of evidence, that keeps rational people from believing in your "God", and from buying into that story presented in your line of comic books. You have absolutely NO evidence that "Jesus" or anyone else has ever been able to raise people from the dead, only a bunch of totally unverifiable fantastic claims with no sensible reason at all for anyone to accept them. Demonstrate his, or your, ability to restore life to dead bodies, and then you will have something to talk about, instead of simply opening your mouth to spread your halitosis. |
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The reality is, you already deconverted. You just don't appreciate it yet. |
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I mean, why would a Christian go looking for others to convert. He trusts and loves God and can be sure that God will see to it that those who matters to him will get convinced. No stress, no worries. No need to be fanatical. No need to convert. No need to question ones own faith. The type of Christianity that can be labelled as evangelical, is according to the philosopher Daniel Dennett, belief in belief in God. Not actual Christian faith. But hey Half-life: Even if you reject God, you're still not in the atheist goal. Never stop questioning. The critical stance is the only attitude if you care about truth. It's great you've reached this turning point. The only thing that sucks about the "truth" is that it is one elusive beast. Anyway. What I want to say is that rejecting the idea that "faith" is some kind of answer to anything is the key. I'd say you've already succeeding in joining modernity. Now you can create the life you want for yourself |
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Consider the following Scriptures: John 2:23 “Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.” John 3:2 “The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.” John 10:37-38 “If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.” John 11:43-45 "And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. John 20:30-31 “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples which are not written in this book. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” In those cases, Jesus' words alone were not enough to convince people to accept him, and he willingly provided them with the tangible, firsthand evidence that they needed. The lesson from those Scriptures is that words do not confirm miracles. Miracles confirm words. The fallible, imperfect Bible writers were not in any position to accurately judge whether or not God is infallible and perfect. Regarding infallible and perfect beings, it takes one to know one, and the Bible writers were not one. The claims that God is infallible and perfect must be taken entirely by faith, or rejected. What is God trying to accomplish? Why does he predict the future? By the way, you cannot reasonably be certain that Jesus said everything that the New Testament says that he said. If you would like to make case that God inspired and preserved the originals, please start a new thread and do so. |
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I have ocd that's why I kept writing those messages yersterday. It's gotten worse I think because of some stressful situations lately. It's quite an unusual reason why I kept doing it. It was not to be cruel or vindictive. |
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It's ok, CE. Thank you for explaining your behavior. I apologize for jumping on you earlier. I hope you've got some support on your end to help with the stress.
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Why would an omni-everything deity have to start with just one small tribe in the Middle East--to the exclusion of other people that he created--rather than revealing himself to everyone? Amos makes explicit that Israel was the only nation that Yahweh knew: Quote:
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And how did this little experiment of only dealing with Israel work out? Were they more righteous than other people whom Yahweh snubbed? Quote:
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