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The same with The Bible, just ask them why they accept it as authoritative and reject all other books as non-inspired. |
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I don't know why this is so difficult. I keep asking this question and never seem to get a direct answer. |
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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09076a.htm Like I said, there is no conspiracy, there is only truth. Quote:
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Like I told you before, if you think that there is no objective method to determine this then I can't help you anymore than what I have tried to do here. Quote:
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-- Pope Innocent III, reiterating the death sentence which the Christian Church had meted out to all heretics and unbelievers for many centuries and which would continue to be endorsed by Christian denominations for centuries to come, even in the twentieth century by Pope Leo XIII (attributed: source unknown) If it shall be necessary, through sentences of excommunication against their persons and of interdict against their lands, all backsliding being put an end to, they compel them to fulfil their vows. -- Pope Innocent III, explaining where much of the land that formerly belonged to our philosophical forebears went to: land was confiscated from any person suspected of heresy, "Bullariulii Romanum, editio Taurinensis," the Bull summoning the Crusades (December 14, 1215) We believe that the Greeks have been punished through [the Crusades] by the just judgement of God: these Greeks who have striven to rend the Seamless Robe of Jesus Christ ... Those who would not join Noah in his ark perished justly in the deluge; and these have justly suffered famine and hunger who would not receive as their shepherd the blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles. -- Pope Innocent III, to the Greek (Byzantine) Emperor, after sending a group of crusaders to Constantinople in 1204 in humble obedience to the edict of Christ in Luke 19:27: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me" (the chronicler Geoffrey Villehardouin said that never since the creation of the world had so much booty been taken from a city), in G. G. Coulton, Inquisition and Liberty (1969), p. 164-5, quoted from Helen Ellerbe, The Dark Side of Christian History Pope Innocent signed in legistature on the Catholic Church that unleashed violence across Europe...until his Bull against witchcraft in 1484, ("Summis desiderantes affectibus" )it was considered heresy to believe in witches. By the time Pope Innocent III was done, it became heresy to not believe in them...and the practice of killing them upon "discovery". Pope Innocent publicly backed the "Malleus Maleficarum", a "hunter's manual" for witch-slayers to use to justify the murders of innocent people. He also contributed directly to the corruption of the church by creating new offices and granting them to the highest bidders--and then turned right around and commanded the execution of people who did the same thing. Quote:
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I think that a Creator of a living creature that only has existence because of HIS meddling, in fact has a total responsibility and duty to take full good care of the creation. Further I see that we may imagine God has the power to make demands on the created but I fail to see where He could ever have the moral right to do so. As Paul said "who is the clay to talk back to the potter" , so I say Paul was potty to make such a silly argument. Clay can’t talk ,feel etc. but if clay ever started to complain to me, I would not just declare my elite status means shut your mouth. |
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