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Sven · 08-23-2006, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rob117

I should be more specific- Finkelstein and Silberman accept the existence of J and E- E they are willing to date to the period just prior to the fall of Samaria, but they down-date J to the time of Josiah. This is also the generally-accepted date of the initial compilation of the Deuteronomistic History, which they accept. This substantial down-dating of J does not allow it enough time to circulate as an independent document and then become combined with E, and gain the authoratative air of tradition with with which Deuteronomy treats it. Perhaps they are unaware of the direct dependence of Deuteronomy on the combined JE text, but this just reveals the lack of communication between archaeologists and textual critics that plagues both fields. Richard Friedman, for example, is about as unaware of the archaeological data as Finkelstein is of the textual data; both disciplines would benefit greatly if they would communicate with each other more often.

Thanks for this thorough explanation!

Steven Avery · 08-23-2006, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gregor

I seem to recall praxeus leaving us last year just when challenged to defend the Ron Wyatt frauds. Gotten any archeological evidence in the past 9 months? Where did the ark of the covenant show up. Who pulled up the brass chariot wheels?

Gregor, a faulty memory can 'seem to recall' whatever it wants for its own convenience. I have been on and off this forum for about two years, with gaps, for various reasons, having nothing to do with the Ron Wyatt discussions. In fact the last time there were some interesting Psalm 22 and Isaiah 7 discussions which I felt would be quite interesting, but I simply was over-extended and took a hiatus.

(Mostly deciding to put energy into certain other forums, not skeptic and mythicist oriented. Yet whenever I read and post here I usually do learn a lot, as in the current resurrection chronology discussion.)

Maybe you can find me talking about the Ark of the Covenant issues here ?
Find the quotes, share away.

As for "who pulled up the brass chariot wheels" ? .. it doesn't sound like a thread here. Again, give a url and a quote, or you are welcome to share away.

As to Red Dave,

My memory, we do have a thread where I specifically challenged some of the Tentmaker accusations of fraud that you link to here. You were likely on that thread.

Stuff like comments alleged to his son or a former backer and a lie detector test. As I recall, they were unsupported, the accusations were a real mess. So making simply repeating them again without noting the problems is now an integrity problem.

The first time, ignorance.
The second time, animus and lack of integrity.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

Sven · 08-23-2006, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

Gregor, a faulty memory can 'seem to recall' whatever it wants for its own convenience. [snip]
As for "who pulled up the brass chariot wheels" ? .. it doesn't sound like a thread here. Again, give a url and a quote, or you are welcome to share away.

Perhaps he's confusing you with Lysimachus, another poster who defended Wyatt vigorously some time ago. IIRC, there was a thread about a supposed wheel of an Egyptian chariot involving him.

Steven Avery · 08-23-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sven

Perhaps he's confusing you with Lysimachus, another poster who defended Wyatt vigorously some time ago. IIRC, there was a thread about a supposed wheel of an Egyptian chariot involving him.

Thanks, Sven. Lysimachus is a net friend, and we have posted in tandem on at least one forum (dunno if we ever did so here). Lysi does take a more assertive stance on many of the issues. I'm the casual, laid-back supporter of Ron's discoveries.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
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gregor · 08-24-2006, 06:13 AM

If I've confused you with Lys' particular defense of Wyatt and the geological formations he called the (mythical) Sodom, the brass boat wheels he called chariot wheels, and the promises of a pending ark revelation, I apologize.

But the concept of a "laid-back supporter of [Wyatt's] 'discoveries'" is laughable.

FatherMithras · 08-24-2006, 08:02 AM

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But the concept of a "laid-back supporter of [Wyatt's] 'discoveries'" is laughable.

I see it as simply odd. It's like being a laid back supporter of UFOs of government 9/11 coverups.

RED DAVE · 08-24-2006, 08:35 AM

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I'm the casual, laid-back supporter of Ron's discoveries.

To add my two cents, that's like a casual, laid-back supporter of Atlantis, space aliens, or dinosaur tracks mixed with human tracks, all of which, I'm sure, Ron would have discovered in due time, probably in Jerusalem.

Did you read the Tentmaker expose, which I posted?

RED DAVE

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gregor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 932	If I've confused you with Lys' particular defense of Wyatt and the geological formations he called the (mythical) Sodom, the brass boat wheels he called chariot wheels, and the promises of a pending ark revelation, I apologize. But the concept of a "laid-back supporter of [Wyatt's] 'discoveries'" is laughable.

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