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Old 04-25-2012, 09:47 PM   #11
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He says that mythicists are mostly non-credentialed ......
What sort of a credential is a graduation certificate from a recognised Christian Theology College, other than a mastery in dogma?



More to the point, doesn't he say somewhere that mythicists are like holocaust deniers?
yes, see below. I just posted that.
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Not in the book he doesn't. Nor does he compare Mythicists to birthers. He brings up the Birther thing only to make that point that hypothetically proving Obama was born in Kenya would not prove he didn't exist. He wasn't comparing mythers to birthers he was illustrating a specific kind of logical fallacy.
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Not in the book he doesn't. Nor does he compare Mythicists to birthers. He brings up the Birther thing only to make that point that hypothetically proving Obama was born in Kenya would not prove he didn't exist. He wasn't comparing mythers to birthers he was illustrating a specific kind of logical fallacy.
Reread my post. Start at the top. Also read the OP where the author invites "other sources."

Does it matter if Ehrman said it in a book or the Huffington Post? Isn't he responsible for what he says no matter where he says it? Carrier made his comments on his own personal blog, not even on an internet publication that widely read by thousands of people.
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Not in the book he doesn't. Nor does he compare Mythicists to birthers. He brings up the Birther thing only to make that point that hypothetically proving Obama was born in Kenya would not prove he didn't exist. He wasn't comparing mythers to birthers he was illustrating a specific kind of logical fallacy.
Well, it is a good thing you brought that up. This is one of the logical fallacies of Ehrman.

Obama is know to exist as the present President of the USA and is well known throuhgout the whole world so it is most ridiculous to compare an UNKNOWN character who has no known evidence of existence and compare him to the most powerful and possible well know man in the Entire EARTH.
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I've read the book. He says that mythicists are mostly non-credentialed, that they make things up and that (here he is a little too sweeping) they are driven by atheist agendas.

His tone is consistently dismissive, often arch with some of the worst ones and he is probably a little too categorical in denying that it has any credentialed supporters or that it's an entirely new area of scholarly inquiry, but he is nowhere close to as abusive as Carrier was in his review or as many of the responses on this board have been (the appelation of "Errorman," etc).
Yes, that is what ApostateAbe wrote as well. Both Dr Carrier and Dr Price came down on Ehrman for the book as though he was attacking them personally, but from what I've heard that isn't the case. So I was wondering if that was true or not. Sounds like it wasn't,
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Not in the book he doesn't. Nor does he compare Mythicists to birthers. He brings up the Birther thing only to make that point that hypothetically proving Obama was born in Kenya would not prove he didn't exist. He wasn't comparing mythers to birthers he was illustrating a specific kind of logical fallacy.
He appeals to consensus and then follows with a paragraph implying that anyone who dissents from that consensus is a conspiracy theorist who won't be convinced by any amount of evidence.
Still, as is clear from the avalanche of sometimes outraged postings on all the relevant Internet sites, there is simply no way to convince conspiracy theorists that the evidence for their position is too thin to be convincing and that the evidence for a traditional view is thoroughly persuasive. Anyone who chooses to believe something contrary to to evidence that an overwhelming majority of people find overwhelmingly convincing--whether it involves the fact of the Holocaust, the landing on the moon, the assassination of presidents, or even a presidential place of birth--will not be convinced. Simply will not be convinced.
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Not in the book he doesn't. Nor does he compare Mythicists to birthers. He brings up the Birther thing only to make that point that hypothetically proving Obama was born in Kenya would not prove he didn't exist. He wasn't comparing mythers to birthers he was illustrating a specific kind of logical fallacy.
Reread my post. Start at the top. Also read the OP where the author invites "other sources."
I'm more interested in the book, since this is what Carrier and Dr Price were responding to. I agree though he is responsible no matter where he says it; but still, I am interested in the book.
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Reread my post. Start at the top. Also read the OP where the author invites "other sources."
I'm more interested in the book, since this is what Carrier and Dr Price were responding to. I agree though he is responsible no matter where he says it; but still, I am interested in the book.
You made the invitation, I just responded to it.
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So what comments in the book are there, if anything, where he says bad things against individual mythicists?
Why don't you read it? Ehrman is playing the game that ToF correctly identities -- first he hacks on mythicists and constantly accuses them of bad faith and denial of reality. Then when people respond in kind he cries that he is the wounded one. The book's success depends on its social appeal. It's a clever book.

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So, what bad things -- if anything -- does he say about the mythicists in his book?
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I'm more interested in the book, since this is what Carrier and Dr Price were responding to. I agree though he is responsible no matter where he says it; but still, I am interested in the book.
You made the invitation, I just responded to it.
That's fine. So I can asumme that, as far as you know, he said nothing bad about the mythcists in his book?
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