aa5874

"Paul" did NOT say Jesus was a man.

Why do you absolutely REFUSE to say what is actually found in the Pauline writings.

How many times must it be shown what "PAUL" said?

Ga 1:1 - "PAUL" did NOT say Jesus was a Man.

"Paul" said Jesus was the Son of God.

Ga 4:4 - "Paul" implied Jesus was born of the Spirit.

Ga 4:29 - "Paul" claimed Jesus was in the FORM of God and equal to God.

Php 2. "Paul" considered Jesus Christ a God and LORD.


Php 2

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The fact that Jesus died contradicts this.

False.

"made of a woman" clear indicates he was a man.

"made under the law" (the law being solely for humans) clearly indicates he was a man.

This has nothing to do with Jesus. The passage is about Ishmael and Isaac, then reflected onto non-believers and believers.

By "being in the form of god" Paul indicates that Jesus was not god. One would need something like "being god" rather than "being in the form of god". Just think of chocolate being in the form of a heart. Chocolate doesn't stop being chocolate and become a pumping heart.

False.

Irrelevant.

Nothing here to suggest that the person Paul portrays as dying on the cross was not human.

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judge

If you don't think its meaningful to look at the fact that in verse three paul refers to Jesus as lord, then in verse 19 refers to the Lord again, then thats up to you I guess.
I don't really care what you think is meaningful . I'm not trying to convince you.


But seriously, where can you go with your idea (apart from an internet forum) if you want to ignore the immediate context? :huh:

aa5874

The death of Jesus in the NT is a FACT? Where do you get your facts from about Jesus?

You have INSTANTLY shown that you don't know what you are talking about. Please get you FACTS straight before you respond to my posts.

The death of Jesus is a FACT?????? You must be some kind of a JOKER.

Now, what in FACT CONTRADICTS you is that it is a FACT that the MYTHS Romulus and Remus did die in Plutarch's "Romulus".

MYTHS CAN DIE IN STORIES.

You don't know "MYTH BIOLOGY". The MYTHS Romulus and Remus were MADE of a WOMAN in Plutarch's "Romulus".

Jesus Christ was the "END of the LAW" and "PAUL" indicated that he was NOT the apostle of a MAN and CERTIFIED that he did NOT get his Gospel from man.

You don't even understand that the Pauline writings are about GOD INCARNATE.

spin

You are misrepresenting the reality of the situation. Before you can read a text, you need to know the range of meanings of the words it uses. You refuse, consistently refuse, over a number of years, to do that.

What one thinks is meaningful, if it is based on evidence is relevant, so your not caring about it is only endemic of your behavior.

Your claim is obviously wrong: I am not ignoring immediate context. You have no reason to make such a preposterous claim. It's apparently just that you have nothing better to say in order to avoid contemplating the linguistic issues necessary to understand the text (or any text).

You will probably be back next time the issue arises naively proposing you can understand a text without understanding the words. You've had plenty of time to provide an alternative analysis of "the lord says to my lord", which is a simple indicator of the semantic distinction that the Greek makes with the usages of κυριος. All you've done is ignore its implications. :wave:

spin

You are merely being pedantic. Paul indicates that Jesus died. That means he indicates Jesus was once alive. Do you wonder why you are ignored, when you seem bent on giving naive literalist interpretations?

I haven't given any indication on any reality of Jesus and you know that I don't hold to any such reality. As you know this, you are merely wasting everyone's time ranting such nonsense.

Red herring.

That was Paul's belief, but it is another red herring. Paul believed that Jesus died under the law in order to overcome it.

Paul believed Jesus had been resurrected, so he was no longer a man. This doesn't change the fact that Paul believed Jesus was necessarily a man during his life on earth: otherwise he could not have died under the law.

He says he got it from a revelation from god about Jesus. Red herring.

Naive literalism is no way to deal with texts that were composed under very different cultural conditions from yours. You need to be sympathetic to their content and how they reflect their times or you will never understand them.

As is, all you display is a total lack of understanding of Paul's words.

aa5874

Well, if you do not hold any REALITY of Jesus why have you claimed that, "The fact that Jesus died contradicts this"....?

You NEED to get YOUR FACTS straight first.

You have NO KNOWN FACTS about the REALITY of Jesus and DO NOT hold to the REALITY of Jesus yet is arguing that the Pauline Jesus was a man in a CANON that is a NON-HERETICAL compilation.

I will NOT tolerate such absurdity.

You have TRAPPED yourself in your own ERRORS and FLAWS.

1. If Jesus was a man then the resurrection was NOT REAL.

"Paul" has a REALITY problem.

2. If Jesus was ACTUALLY seen ALIVE after the crucifixion then he DID NOT DIE

"Paul" has a REALITY problem.

3. When did the PAULINE Jesus REALLY DIE?

You have NO idea what you are talking about. You have no idea what the Pauline Jesus was.

You have NO REALITY of Jesus.

Now, you KNOW that MYTHS have REALITY problems and have NO hold on REALITY.

You are REALLY arguing for MYTH JESUS . MYTH JESUS has NO reality.

I don't hold to any reality of Jesus so you are WASTING my time arguing that the Pauline Jesus was REALLY a man.

In REALITY, your whole argument that the Pauline Jesus was a MAN was REALLY baseless.

spin

I'll leave your retort for others to judge. :wave:

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aa5874

Do NOT even DARE to respond to my posts UNLESS you get your FACTS straight.

I simply cannot tolerate absurdities.

You HOLD NO REALITY of Jesus but yet ARGUE that the Pauline Jesus was a man when the very "PAUL" claimed he was NOT the apostle of a Man.

How ILLOGICAL can you be???

Ga 1:1 -

hjalti

"...by one man, Jesus Christ,.." - Paul (rom 5:15)