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Old 01-10-2013, 05:14 PM   #31
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My argument is that Justin's writings are COMPATIBLE with the HARD EVIDENCE--THE DATED recovered manuscripts from the 2nd century.
But if 'Justin's' writings were actually forged at a latter date it doesn't matter what you assert they are COMPATIBLE with, they would still be forgeries.


You do know I'm just pulling yer tail don'cha aa?

Heck, I'd have to be, as you well know that I posit that all of these NT writings, Paul included, actually had their genesis in Jewish midrashim from the BC era.
With additional 'Christian' horse shit being heaped on top for centuries.

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Why is NOT Eusebius also a Victim of the very Church of Rome??
EVERYONE is a victim of the Church of Rome, THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON who sits on many waters, and is drunken with the blood of the saints.
And the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her whoredoms.
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You have no evidence, no credible sources--NOTHING to support your claim that Eusebius wrote the TF.
Ken Olsen: Eusebius forged the TF

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You are NOT presenting any actual evidence just what you imagine.

It is a fact that the Roman Church Forged writings under the name of your "Bullneck" Constantine so I don't understand why all of a sudden you seem incapable of understanding that writings may have been forged under the name of Eusebius who was not even the Emperor or Bishop of Rome.
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You have NOT presented any actual evidence for your claims that Justin Martyr wrote 'The First Apology'
You do NOT understand my arguments at all.

My argument is that Justin's writings are COMPATIBLE with the HARD EVIDENCE--THE DATED recovered manuscripts from the 2nd century.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

You have no chronological argument without hard evidence for that chronology.

This is not HARD chronological evidence like C14 dating.

Its a bunch of professional Christian theologians' paleographical certifications for Christ's sake.

This soft evidence is not considered to be primary evidence because it is soft.

You are just hedging your myth bet with the 2nd century flock of seagulls.

Justin is a Eusebian stooge.
Your post is all rhetoric. Nothing at all you claim can be substantiated because you neither have C 14 or Paleography to support you.

You use the writing of Julian but become irate when I use Justin.

Did NOT the writings of Julian pass through the hands of the Forgery Mill??
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But if 'Justin's' writings were actually forged at a latter date it doesn't matter what you assert they are COMPATIBLE with, they would still be forgeries.


You do know I'm just pulling yer tail don'cha aa?

Heck, I'd have to be, as you well know that I posit that all of these NT writings, Paul included, actually had their genesis in Jewish midrashim from the BC era.
With additional 'Christian' horse shit being heaped on top for centuries...
I really don't care what you do with the writings of Justin. All I know is that we have DATED RECOVERED Manuscripts that destroy and obliterate any argument that the Jesus story and cult started in the 4th century.

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EVERYONE is a victim of the Church of Rome, THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON who sits on many waters, and is drunken with the blood of the saints.
And the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her whoredoms.
And what about the wretched Eusebius and Constantine??

Now that it has been proven that the Church of Rome did FORGE writings and that Constantine was a victim why don't you understand that Eusebius may NOT have forged the TF???
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But if 'Justin's' writings were actually forged at a latter date it doesn't matter what you assert they are COMPATIBLE with, they would still be forgeries.


You do know I'm just pulling yer tail don'cha aa?

Heck, I'd have to be, as you well know that I posit that all of these NT writings, Paul included, actually had their genesis in Jewish midrashim from the BC era.
With additional 'Christian' horse shit being heaped on top for centuries...
I really don't care what you do with the writings of Justin. All I know is that we have DATED RECOVERED Manuscripts that destroy and obliterate any argument that the Jesus story and cult started in the 4th century.
I've already went my rounds with MM on that. I certainly don't accept that the Jesus story and cult started in the 4th century.

And of course as you should well know by now, I also don't accept that the Jesus story and cult started in the 2nd century.

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EVERYONE is a victim of the Church of Rome, THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON who sits on many waters, and is drunken with the blood of the saints.
And the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her whoredoms.
And what about the wretched Eusebius and Constantine??
'EVERYONE' means EVERYONE, ...wretched Eusebius and Constantine, Protestantism, Me and you included.

NO ONE has escaped being victimized and tainted by the lies and pollutions of THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON, The Church of Rome.

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Now that it has been proven that the Church of Rome did FORGE writings and that Constantine was a victim why don't you understand that Eusebius may NOT have forged the TF???
Yup. Wasn't my argument anyway. But can you convince mountainman?
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I've already went my rounds with MM on that. I certainly don't believe that the Jesus story and cult started in the 4th century.

And of course as you should well know by now, I also don't believe that it started in the 2nd century...
At this point, I am not interested in any more imagination stories about what you BELIEVE WITHOUT a shred of evidence.

I AM DEALING WITH THE DATED NT MANUSCRIPTS.
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As mountainman would ask manuscrips DATED by whom? A bunch of professional Christian theologians? That is your 'evidence'? impressive.

Why not just let the friggin Pope date 'em for you and be done with it.
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As mountainman would ask manuscrips DATED by whom? A bunch of professional Christian theologians? That is your 'evidence'? impressive.

Why not just let the friggin Pope date 'em for you and be done with it.
Paleography is Not related to Christian theology or Theologians. Thousands of Non-Christian texts are dated by Paleography and are used and accepted universally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaeography

You want me to Reject Paleography and accept what you imagine. May I remind you that your stories based on imagination are essentially fiction.
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Time will tell.
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Two thousand years is enough. You seem to enjoy being a Victim of the Church of Rome.

Once you read and analyze the "Donation of Constantine", "Church History" and "Against Heresies" then it becomes rather easy to deduce that the Church of Rome most likely did NOT compose Justin' works..
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