Toto

Boteach's views on Jesus seem to be more or less conventional. There's nothing remarkable there.

Toto

Some historicists claimed that Jesus was not really Jewish.

Some mythicists claim that Jesus was a mythical representation of Jewish themes.

You are creating an issue that doesn't exist.

No Robots

Yes. These are anti-semites.

Somehow, no matter how hard they try, they always put the ultimate source as something outside Judaism. It's always a variation of how those clever Jews stole themes and forced them to serve their own self-aggrandizement. More anti-semitism.

The issue is whether Christ and the New Testament are expressions of the essence of Judaism. This is something that all scholars, whether Jew or not, affirm. In fact, only anti-semites deny it. Mythicism, at this time, by wilfully disregarding the unanimous scholarly understanding on this point, is the leading manifestation of pseudo-scholarly anti-semitism.

proudfootz

Sorry, but this is absurd.

Proposing that the people who created the religion of judaism were human like everyone else, and open to cultural influences just like everyone else is by no stretch of the imagination 'anti-semitism'.

Historically, a lot of anti-semitism seems to derive from christian claims that 'the jews' killed a god-man called Jesus.

No Robots

You are denying that Judaism has its own essential and unique culture, dissolving it into a miasma of cross-cultural influences. This is indeed anti-semitism.

Certainly. And mythicism is just anti-semitism by other means, writing the Jews out of their own culture and literature. Mythicism is a relic of Christian cultural appropriation.

proudfootz

To claim that judaism is like every other culture exhibited by humanity is humanism - whoever invented judaism were ordinary people every bit as good (and bad) as you or I.

How does saying someone is equal to everyone else 'anti' anything? :huh:

Not sure what saying 'jews were humans open to influence just like everyone else' is doing anything like you claim.

If, as you seem to allow, christianity is an expression 'the essence of judaism' how is it that it's the source of such anti-semitism? Are you trying to say the essence of judaism is anti-semitism?

Your claim is absurd.

No Robots

Christianity has been distorted to make it anti-semitic. This distortion continues in mythicism.

Sheshbazzar

I am a J mythicist. I most certianly DO NOT put the ultimate source of 'Jesus' as something outside of Judaisim.
I am certain that 'Jesus Christ', -that is to say יהושע המשיח began as a 100% a JEWISH mythical redeemer figure.
And that this came about via means of JEWISH midrash of;
Thus;
= "אנכי אדרש מעמו׃"
הנביא ועבדו אשר־יקום יהוה תחתם היה יהושע המשיח אשר יעשה יהוה גאל לכל־בני ישראל׃


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proudfootz

Doherty (also classed as a 'mythicist') stresses the judaic roots of the messiah myth.

I suspect no_robots has some idiosyncratic definition of 'mythicism' and is anxious to slander them. Like Ehrman and his 'holocaust' madness.

We can see many literary contributions to the 'gospel Jesus' in Isaiah, Daniel, and the Dead Sea Scrolls - all 100% jewish.

Sheshbazzar

Got that No-Robots?

Care to explain to everyone here what it is that you find anti-Semitic about these statements?


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