Agnostic Theist

they seem to have lived on alms.


The more I read into the evidence, the more I am convinced, if there ever was a Jesus or Christ, that not all references to the messiah concerned Jesus. In one passage (Gospel of Thomas, I think) it is said not to give alms, nor to pray. This, however, contradicts other teachings, particularly those on hpyopcrisy. It would seem, then, that Jesus, or at least some of his apostles, were elitist.

How 'wise' then, that this man should criticize the priests and yet lead himself to death, by a rope of untruths that could not even be consistent amongst each other!

Bunny FooFoo

You could look at it this way, it’s a trap for irrational, lying, greedy people that don’t know how to think for themselves, therefore their brains are exposed as useless things and their followers for not understanding reality. That’s why Al Qaeda kills so many people at once, this disease has run amuck.

Even if the cross thing was added in just to rope people into believing, it still work’s against them, both ways it’s a trap for believers because they think they are going to be saved when they die. This is the only way to get rid of irrational people on this planet. From what I got out of the Adam and Eve story, after they procreated, Adam dominated Eve which means her mind belonged to him first and her children came second. So instead of being a good mother, she had lust for Adam which makes Adam and Eve bad parents. This is supposed to teach couples that if they have a child, they should remain sexless after the child is born and Eve is then 'virgin' like and focuses on raising ONE child instead of having impure thoughts for Adam. But if they choose not to have children and practice safe sex, they can screw all they want. So if religion had taught what the bible says, the world would not have over populated and children would have been raised in rational homes and intelligence would have soared and birth control would have been invented way earlier.

The bible even say's it's all in there, but the fact that bibles (all religious text including the Koran) differ prove that it isn't, which means man divided up what he liked from here and there so they could kill each other off. I dunno know, seems more like a catch 22 to me.

inquisitive01

"Inquisitive" is how I would describe the end result of all our accumulated "knowledge" to date. We are still just as inquisitive today, if not even more so, than ever.

As stated previously, what I've seen posted here and elsewhere is ACTUALLY QUESTIONING GOD, while many would not dare to even question a commander in the Armed Forces when a potentially deadly command is given (i.e., attack so-and-so city in so-and-so country, etc.). It's sounds as though you're not even willing to question Mr. Ingersoll, yet you question the will of the Almighty. :huh:

You will have to give specific examples of what you are referring to in order for these questions to be taken seriously by me, as I don't know of any examples of these (i.e., If you think he went "dumbly" to His death... why do you think this? Is this just an opinion or fact?).

Sven

Here we have it once again: Might makes right.

Sorry, but if one doesn't question a god who supposedly gives/gave one commands which conflict with ones morality, then something is clearly wrong.

Procurator

Hi Sven,

Thanks for the welcome. I don't mind if people are a little harsh in addressing me; I can hardly call my entrance a humble one.

Why do you say that? Please draw my attention to the claim which requires evidence, for all I can see in my post is a question.

Procurator

Sven

Since you answered: "How many magicians have fed five thousand men with a few loaves and a couple of fish, collecting basketfuls of leftovers afterwards?" to a comment that one of Jesus' miracles is routinely done by magicians, it seemed reasonable to suppose that you think that Jesus indeed did the above miracle. I was just asking for evidence that he indeed performed it. One never knows - perhaps you can indeed present some.

Pyrrho

I see; you regard the Bible as have been written by people who willfully deceive others. I guess they want people to not understand, and therefore want people to be in error. If the authors had wanted people to believe the truth, they would be clear. Making things obscure insures that people will make mistakes. The authors, by your account, were evil.

Procurator

Sven,

A bit brash, don't you think?

You were not "just" asking for evidence--your concluding words, as I distinctly remember them, were "Evidence, man - your post is desperately in need of evidence." No, Sven, it isn't.

Ciao, edit :wave:

Procurator

Angrillori

I'll take that as a "No, I don't have evidence, and I'm not going to show you any. So, raspberries!"

Eh Sven?

Procurator

Angrillori,

Just you jump to your own conclusions, mate; it's the only thing that you can do at this juncture.

Procurator