-Jay-

Robert, this line of reasoning is just absurd. Are you familiar with the term "landfill"? How about "junkyard" or "dump"?

The bit about the Bible saying there were strict sanitation laws doesn't even pass the "so what?" test. Even with strict sanitation laws, the waste and trash had to go somewhere.
And this was hashed out in the old Larsguy thread I linked to earlier. Go read it.
We never would've guessed. Your credibility would improve tremendously if you'd actually bother to obtain a scintilla of background information on the subjects that you go on about.

regards,

NinJay

Johnny Skeptic

Actually, when Egyptians first heard about the Exodus story and the story of the Ten Plagues, I assume that they rejected them as fiction. If the Ten Plagues occured, there would probably be surviving non-Biblical records due to their catastrophic, unprecedented consequences. Travellers and traders were always going to and from Egypt. News of the Ten Plagues would have spread rapidly throughout the civilized world.

If the Ten Plagues occured, that would have been the end of Egypt as a major power in the Middle East. Obviously, that did not happen.

The point is, how much does God wish to reasonably prove that he exists, and what he wants people to do with their lives?

Obviously, firsthand evidence is much more convincing than second hand evidence, third hand evidence, etc. If the God of the Bible does not exist, it is a given that today, there would not be any firsthand tangible evidence that reasonably proves that the God of the Bible exists.

What is God trying to accomplish?

Regarding "the story is so aggresive in its contentions," what do you mean by "aggresive"?

Johnny Skeptic

"Sanitation"? No, not even close. The existence of microorganisms was not discovered until the 1600's A.D. No loving God would tell people about sanitation for their benefit and kill them with hurricanes and parasites. With parasites alone, God has needlessly killed more people than all of the wars in history.

Amaleq13

Regardless of the content of your claim and regardless of whether it is even possible for you to have the knowledge you claim? That is insane, Robert, and no rational adult operates like that in the real world.

Ask any detective how many people walk into their station and confess to major unsolved crimes. Ask that detective whether he agrees with you about one's initial approach to an alleged witness.

The man who tells the detective that he killed all those women has nothing to prove to the detective before he is swept into the system as a suspect? You would last about one day as a cop, Robert.

Wow. One wonders why someone apparently aware of their own ignorance would feel comfortable making bold assertions they know they cannot support.

You have just established that you have no credibility as a "witness" in this matter. :wave:

Minimalist

Archaeology has done so.

Sheshonq

Wrong. The witness has *no* standing whatsoever.

Then drop the analogy of the courtroom - you were the one to bring it up, not me. Now that you realize it doesn't work they way you thought it would, you're abandoning it. I don't blame you.

Incorrect. It depends upon *what* you say. If you said you saw a robin in a tree yesterday, most people (99.9%) are likely to believe you.

But if you said that you were abducted by aliens and shared turkey dinner with Elvis Presley on their spacecraft, nobody will believe you.

The believability of your claim depends upon *what* you are claiming. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Without that evidence,

Wrong. You must show why it has any credibility, given the numerous mistakes in science, biology, geology, history and archaeology.

Yes, you do.

Sadly wrong. You've just run in a big circle and repeated yourself, forgetting that you were already shot down on these points.

Sheshonq

1. It wasn'ta short time. There were 2.5 million (allegedly) camped at Kadesh Barnea for 38 years.

2. Because we know what other groups of 2.5 million people have left at other campsites.

It's already been done.

None of them could. If you think so, feel free to tell us why.

Then you should probably shut your mouth about it until you actually do the research. Telling us that such-and-such could explain this is just your wishful guessing if you haven't gotten off your ass to even investigate the topic.

Johnny Skeptic

By the same token, in order to dismiss deism as a witness you must show why it lack credibility.

Why did God break his promise to give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar?

Do you believe that God inspired and preserved all of the Bible?

yalla

I have just come back from a walk around my property in Australia with my dog.
I have walked on the evidence of the past habitation of this land.
I have kicked black limestone rocks that were burnt because they were part of the hearths of the people who used to live here. There are huge sections [100s of sqare metres in area] of these rocks exposed on the track and denuded areas around my place.
Also evident are piles of river mussel shells, embedded with the rocks, remnants of past feasts of the old locals. These middens cover acres of land in area. There are several such at my place. Without exaggeration there are millions of these shells .In some we [well visiting archeologists to be precise] have found chips of rocks that are the remains of worked tools and in a few cases were trade items that originated from a site 100s of kms to the north of here.
On the island between the lagoon in front of me and the main river archeologists have found remnants of 9 bodies that were buried in the sand underneath trees up to 12,000 years ago and which have since been exposed.

This, and more, is from a small population [ probably averaging a few dozen at most times] of people that lived here for 1000s of years. They were practising gathering and hunting and had no manufactured items, eg metals and pottery, along the style of the millions of Hebrews allegedly crossing from Egypt to Canaan.

But their past presence is readily visible even to an ignoramus like me.

-Jay-

yalla -

If you have any photographs of any of these things, it would be wonderful if you'd consider posting them. (Pictures being worth lotsa words and all.)
Then we can talk directly to examples of the evidence that we've been discussing in the abstract.

regards and thanks in advance,

NinJay