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Old 08-25-2005, 04:39 PM   #11
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Default . . . as they must with nowhere else to go.

Whoops, the above was posted by accident but I will leave it to complete a thought.

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The upshot here is that they will spend the rest of their life trying to work out their own salvation while those who can do this in 42 months will spend the rest of their life in heaven . . . as they must,
So now we have both heaven and hell as a state of mind. Those in heaven will be entertained by the foolishness of those in hell while those in hell will sympathise with those in heaven because they cannot 'reach' them.
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Old 08-26-2005, 06:52 PM   #12
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O, foolish Galatians! .... before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? .... did you receive the Spirit by ... the hearing of faith?
Agreed that taken as a discrete unit this passage leaves little room for doubt that the author sees the "crucifixion of Jesus" as a something to do with an ongoing-faith-spirit-perception as opposed to a past temporal-geographical event. Obviously one can argue against this position by reference to other passages that contradict this interpretation. If it seems too easy to raise the suspicion of interpolation by way of response to these counter arguments then it is worth dealing with William O. Walker Jr's comments in his "Interpolations in the Pauline Letters":
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The widespread presence of interpolations in other ancient literature -- Classical, Hellenistic, Jewish and Christian -- is virtually certain. The Pauline letters were assembled, preserved and transmitted by the early Church only as parts of an expanded, abbreviated and edited collection. The surviving manuscripts of these letters bear witness to numerous alterations, including short additions to the text. In my judgment, these considerations lead almost inescapably to the conclusion, simply on a priori grounds, that the Pauline letters, as we now have them, are likely to contain non-Pauline interpolations. Indeed, as Munro asserts, 'it strains credulity to assume that interpolations did not take place.'" (p.43)
Further, on the Jesus Mysteries list Klaus Schilling has kindly offered translations of Herman Detering's recent discussion of a revised argument for the original Pauline collection being a late Marcionite/gnostic work that was later revised by the 'orthodox': http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JesusM.../message/22909
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