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sugarhitman · 09-16-2010, 09:35 PM

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Jesus cannot appear if Israel is not a state...Israel is central to biblical prophecy.

We both agree that your almighty god is powerless if Jews have not formed a secular republic. Our only point of contention then, is whether or not he is also powerless when they have.

I agree that God is powerful because after 1900 years, after a terrible existence..Israel is back.....soon she will be the seat of her Messiah...and you my friend will see it with your own eyes.

aa5874 · 09-16-2010, 10:07 PM

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EXACTLY.

You make silly claims and then cannot support them.

Examine your claim.

Nowhere in gJohn does it state that DEAD believers will SEE Jesus in heaven BEFORE the return.

Oh brother...when Stephen was dying he saw the lord in heaven and said "Lord Jesus receive my spirit". So where was he going? Was it not to be with the Lord..in heaven?

Well, my brother, you have claimed that DEAD people would see Jesus in heaven BEFORE the return.

As far as I know DEAD people CANNOT see.

In Acts, Stephen SAW Jesus BEFORE he was DEAD.

Again, Please STATE where in gJohn, the chapter in gJohn, where Jesus said that DEAD people would SEE him in heaven with his Father BEFORE the return.

spamandham · 09-16-2010, 10:08 PM

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I agree that God is powerful because after 1900 years, after a terrible existence..Israel is back.....soon she will be the seat of her Messiah...and you my friend will see it with your own eyes.

Care to make a wager on that?

Israel has been a nation since 1948. When the last person recorded to have been born in 1948 dies, and Jesus hasn't returned, your debt to me will be due. If Jesus *does* return, I will make payment to whoever you designate. For example, you could designate an organization devoted to caring for the pets of all those who are raptured. You're going to win anyway, right.....and surely you love pets.

How much would you like to put on the table? For legal reasons, we would need to do this in Nevada of course.

Joan of Bark · 09-16-2010, 11:57 PM

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From what I've read from scholars, the KJV is a terrible translation, based upon later Greek manuscripts.

... except of course for those Christians who believe Jesus said 'thee' and 'thou' a lot.

The KJV is more reliable....almost flawless. Thats why critics often use other bibles to attack the NT and OT rather than the KJV.

And how do you know this?

Joan of Bark · 09-17-2010, 12:01 AM

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We both agree that your almighty god is powerless if Jews have not formed a secular republic. Our only point of contention then, is whether or not he is also powerless when they have.

I agree that God is powerful because after 1900 years, after a terrible existence..Israel is back.....soon she will be the seat of her Messiah...and you my friend will see it with your own eyes.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic ...

This is just another version of The Late Great Planet Earth, or The
'90's: Countdown to Armageddon, or whatever other failed prophesies Hal Lindsey has been peddling to suckers for the last thirty years.

sugarhitman · 09-17-2010, 12:59 AM

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I agree that God is powerful because after 1900 years, after a terrible existence..Israel is back.....soon she will be the seat of her Messiah...and you my friend will see it with your own eyes.

Care to make a wager on that?

Israel has been a nation since 1948. When the last person recorded to have been born in 1948 dies, and Jesus hasn't returned, your debt to me will be due. If Jesus *does* return, I will make payment to whoever you designate. For example, you could designate an organization devoted to caring for the pets of all those who are raptured. You're going to win anyway, right.....and surely you love pets.

How much would you like to put on the table? For legal reasons, we would need to do this in Nevada of course.

When Jesus returns there will be no need to set up any organization to care for the pets of the Raptured.....The Raptured ofcourse simply meets Jesus in the air upon his return.....Both return to earth. So I guess you can just hand me the check in person....I dont know that may not be possible as you may be in a state of euphoria, screaming "Jesus!! Jesus!!..I knew you were returning man! Hey I was only pretending to be an athiest and stuff."

Ferryman to the Dead · 09-17-2010, 02:21 AM

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We both agree that your almighty god is powerless if Jews have not formed a secular republic. Our only point of contention then, is whether or not he is also powerless when they have.

I agree that God is powerful because after 1900 years, after a terrible existence..Israel is back.....soon she will be the seat of her Messiah...and you my friend will see it with your own eyes.

Not the one you speak of they never accepted him as a messiah.

Roller · 09-17-2010, 04:31 AM

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We both agree that your almighty god is powerless if Jews have not formed a secular republic. Our only point of contention then, is whether or not he is also powerless when they have.

I agree that God is powerful because after 1900 years, after a terrible existence..Israel is back.....soon she will be the seat of her Messiah...and you my friend will see it with your own eyes.

You are proving our point. There was another guy about 1900 years ago that said to high priest: "I am; and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." (Mark 14:62)

Sheshbazzar · 09-17-2010, 04:36 AM

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In other words the Great Apostosy followed by the appearence of the Anti-Christ precedes the coming of Christ..and that can occur in any generatioon, which is why Jesus told the disciples in Acts 1 that it was not for them to know the time of his return...and that even he didnt know when it would occur...only that the generation in which the main signs appear in would see his return. Those signs are ofcourse the Apostosy, the arrival of Anti-Christ, world persecution of believers and ethnic Jews...specifically the Jews of Israel over the Jerusalem Issue.

Two of those signs are here..that is the Apostosy and growing hostility towards Israel over land and Jerusalem....Yeshua makes its crystal clear (as does the OT) that the Messiah appears during a time when the whole world fights Israel.....the "trampling of Jerusalem". Right now plans are being made to divide Jerusalem 3 ways....coupled with the rise in antisemitism and its twin...anti-Biblical Christianity.....I can now say with confidence........................................ ....We are that Generation.

Oh really?
How many years are there in one of your 'generations' sugar?
How many years now left in this 'Generation'?
10? 20? 40? 60? 100?
I state with far greater confidence, that with the lapse of whatever time period it is you state or imply....................that your mythical fairy-tale cartoon character will remain just as mythical or as dead as ever, and will not 'come' or 'return' in this now present 'generation', or ever.
And you, just like all the other thousands false prophets who have made this claim in their generations, will also prove to be just another deluded fanatical liar for Jebus (or whatever other name or spelling you might choose to promote your lie by)

OLDMAN · 09-17-2010, 05:34 AM

The problem with bibical prophecy is it comes from the book of revelation. Which isn't a single book, but in fact three different books fused together, all with the intent of desposing of the (then) current occupation of Judea.

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OLDMAN Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: look behind you... Posts: 2,107	The problem with bibical prophecy is it comes from the book of revelation. Which isn't a single book, but in fact three different books fused together, all with the intent of desposing of the (then) current occupation of Judea.

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