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Hex · 03-27-2007, 01:53 PM

Okay ...

I put the timeline back into an Excel file, available here.

Nicely done, BTW, Dean!

mens_sana · 03-27-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless

The Hebrews were not in the habit of deliberately omitting names from genealogies. That's why Matthew's genealogy (the shorter of the two NT genealogies of Jesus) specifically gives a count of the number of generations.

Is there some special reason why we think that the author of Matthew was Jewish?

Steven Avery · 03-27-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless;

."A particular point of interest"? Only in the sense that it's (another) demonstration of the Bible's falsehood. This particular one can be traced back to a mistranslation in the Greek Septuagint IIRC (Genesis 11:12).

Jack, would you supply us with the earliest evidence of Cainan in an OT manuscript, especially Greek as you indicated, however any language will do. This will be helpful in "tracing back" .. of tracing forward.

Thanks.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic

RED DAVE · 03-27-2007, 07:45 PM

By the way, Larsguy47, you still haven't replied to my post 39 on this thread.

RED DAVE

Jack the Bodiless · 03-28-2007, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

Jack, would you supply us with the earliest evidence of Cainan in an OT manuscript, especially Greek as you indicated, however any language will do. This will be helpful in "tracing back" .. of tracing forward.

I have no idea exactly when it appeared: just that the Masoretic doesn't have "Cainan" in Genesis 11:12 but the LXX does. Maybe you should ask Joe Wallack, who mentioned this here.

Of course, another possibility is that the Masoretic is in error, omitting a "Cainan" which was previously present here.

Dean Anderson · 03-28-2007, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

Thanx, Dean. Any chance you could add a third column: historical time?

RED DAVE

Column 5 ("BC date from fixed Exile date") shows that. It assumes that the exile occurs in 597 BC, and counts backwards from there.

Jack the Bodiless · 03-28-2007, 02:34 AM

Larsguy47:

I'm wondering just how long you can put off tackling the Flood date. If you're intending to reply to Red Dave's post #39 above with some sort of revised Egyptian chronology to shift Pepi II out of the frame: are you ever going to tell us WHICH Egyptian pharaoh (according to you) must have survived the Flood (along with his entire nation) and failed to notice it?

Dean Anderson · 03-28-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Larsguy47

YOUR PROCESS:
1) You must first get a good secular timeline.
2) You then must understand the best critical Biblical timeline

No I don't.

The timeline in my spreadsheet shows what the Bible says. It is not about the "best critical Biblical timeline", because it is not directed at people who manipulate the Biblical text in a critical manner (whether they then regard their manipulated text as "inerrant" or not).

It is directed at people who take what the Bible says literally - so it takes what the Bible says literally.

Dean Anderson · 03-28-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Larsguy47

From the date of the Exodus in 1386BCE, the Abrahamic Covenant occurs 430 years earlier in 1816 BCE. The Flood begin 427 years earlier than that in 2243 BCE, and the Creation of Adam 1656 years earlier in c. 3899 BCE.

Hey Larsguy47...

Since the entire point of this thread (although it is over a year old now) was about holding Inerrantists to their stated dates for the Flood and the Creation of the World, I feel obligated to do just that.

I notice that you have only referred to the creation of "Adam", not the creation of the World - so I shall assume that you are some kind of Gap Theorist and are therefore not explicitly claiming that the world was created in 3899 BCE, only that Adam was.

However, I hereby challenge you to a Formal Debate (that's a link to the debate challenge thread, by the way) about either of these two dates - the Flood or the Creation of Adam.

Sven · 03-28-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Anderson

Hey Larsguy47...

Since the entire point of this thread (although it is over a year old now) was about holding Inerrantists to their stated dates for the Flood and the Creation of the World, I feel obligated to do just that.

I notice that you have only referred to the creation of "Adam", not the creation of the World - so I shall assume that you are some kind of Gap Theorist and are therefore not explicitly claiming that the world was created in 3899 BCE, only that Adam was.

However, I hereby challenge you to a Formal Debate (that's a link to the debate challenge thread, by the way) about either of these two dates - the Flood or the Creation of Adam.

Oh, good. Be sure to limit his (and your) posts on at most 3000 words - they are almost unreadable in total to me.

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03-27-2007, 01:53 PM	#41
Hex Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: www.rationalpagans.com Posts: 445	Okay ... I put the timeline back into an Excel file, available here. Nicely done, BTW, Dean!

03-27-2007, 07:45 PM	#44
RED DAVE Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 10,532	By the way, Larsguy47, you still haven't replied to my post 39 on this thread. RED DAVE

03-28-2007, 02:34 AM	#47
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	Larsguy47: I'm wondering just how long you can put off tackling the Flood date. If you're intending to reply to Red Dave's post #39 above with some sort of revised Egyptian chronology to shift Pepi II out of the frame: are you ever going to tell us WHICH Egyptian pharaoh (according to you) must have survived the Flood (along with his entire nation) and failed to notice it?

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