spin

An off by 5% to certainty.


spin

John Deere

Spin:

The two sigma range for Habbakuk based upon the 1998 recalibration was between (roughly) 180 BCE and 80 CE. This is what the 95% chance you refered to means - the two sigma not one sigma range. There is no "certainty minus 5%" that Habbakuk was written pre1CE.

Further, the two control samples (which were known to have been written in 133CE) both tested to a median of over a hundred years earlier than their known date of creation.

Now, what do you mean when you write that Habakkuk was written "wholly" pre1CE.

Joe

spin

I have asked you to give the specific source reference (author, text & page) to your claimed date range for Pesher Habakkuk. You have refused. I have cited the 2 sigma data from Doudna's article dated 1997 (published 1998) which contradicts your claim. If your data was correct you wouldn't need the song and dance you've been going through.

Please provide the exact stuff or stop bothering with your claim.

Also the quibbling of the accuracy serves you nothing at all. This is merely pedantry.


spin

Toto

Read it here.

I am a little skeptical of this review, written by "Paul Lauderbach" - which must be an alias of some sort, since he claims "By profession, I am a translator and editor of Christian works of various kinds, both popular and scholarly. I have translated a number of works into Spanish, and edited hundreds more, including study Bibles and a Bible atlas" but Google has not heard of him.

Lauderbach wants us to believe that he is an active missionary and that he believes that the Bible has positive moral value, but that he has lost his belief completely in the historical veracity of the Christian story, but it's all just okay and Atwill's book clears up any confusion.

Something about this does not ring true. If you were a Christian and you think you have found proof that the Flavians wrote the gospels as an enormous inside joke, how could you not be either angry, depressed, confused, or outraged at how you have wasted your religous life? How can you entertain such doubts about the historical accuracy of the Bible and not notice its deficiencies as a moral guide.

John Deere

Toto:

You are wrong the reviewer is real and very sincere. He contacted me by email and we have discussed my findings. For obvious reasons he does not wish to not have his opinions of my book become public and did use an alias on Amazon but I have sent you by private message a way to reach him. Please do so and then post a retraction.

Joe Atwill

Toto

I have emailed him.

rlogan

Hi Joe. Thanks. So a very small cumulative probablility.

Very well known rule. For simplicity, the two-variable rule is:

For random variables X and Y,

Variance X + Y is = Variance(X) + Variance(Y) + 2Covariance(XY)

Hence, if X and Y are independent then Covariance(XY) = 0 and then the special case you have cited holds.

This generalizes to as many variables as you want. If they are all independent then the variance of the sum is the sum of the variances. Happy to do the proof. No need for citations with stuff this easy.


If I've got time before I head back out into the toolies I'll try to read the article in question, and see the citation spin has referenced.

rlogan

Anyone got this as a pdf or open-source document?

Doudna, Gregory L., "Dating the Scrolls on the Basis of Radiocarbon Analysis", in The Dead Sea Scrolls After Fifty Years, ed. Flint, P., & J. VanderKam, Vol 1., Brill, 1998, pp.430-471.

John Deere

rlogan:

Agree with both of your points, though not sure how they relate to the article. I'll see if I can get Greg's article in PDF format and send it to you.

Joe

Johann_Kaspar

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
Do you have reading problem with emoticons ?
Or do you have a problem to understand and answer embarassing questions and comments ?
It is exactly what I am thinking : you are here not to engage in a discussion, but to promote your book.

I will be so kind as to reformulate my previous remarks into simple questions :

Is that your understanding that the Jews who are rebelling are the bad Jews and that the good ones are the pro-Roman ?

Why didn’t the Flavians care to widely publish their work while they were living ?

I will never buy your book, but feel free to send me a copy. I would review it carefully and pull out all the possible crap.